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In 'something that should have happened a long time ago' news, Disney has rehired James Gunn for 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3'.

So in the end all the alt-right trolls accomplished was getting James Gunn an additional gig over at DC with the Suicide Squad sequel.

More info here.

Date: 2019-03-15 07:53 pm (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
I'm really happy about this! :D

It was not even remotely the same thing as the firing of that woman who was spewing racist bile to the present day. Gunn said abominable things a long time ago and apologized for them years ago, before he was hired by Disney, and all the evidence showed that he had grown into a legitimately much better person who would never say those things again.

Firing a person who is currently behaving horribly sends the message that horrible behaviour is not acceptable. Firing a person who used to behave horribly in the past but has since gone mea culpa for it and genuinely improved their behaviour sends the message that striving to be better is pointless.

Add in the fact that he was targeted specifically for criticising Trump, so that his firing also sent the message that people should be quiet about Trump's abuses or risk their career.

Date: 2019-03-15 08:08 pm (UTC)
thenicochan: (Jefferson (Life is Strange))
From: [personal profile] thenicochan
Absolutely wonderful news.

Date: 2019-03-15 08:26 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Well look at that. I guess the Snap can be undone.

Date: 2019-03-15 08:38 pm (UTC)
blackmassvillain: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blackmassvillain
I thought it was the left that came down on James Gunn. He was one of the people that got caught up in the cancel culture wasn't he?

Date: 2019-03-15 09:35 pm (UTC)
blackmassvillain: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blackmassvillain
Thanks for that. I didn't know exactly how it started so thank you for letting me know.

Date: 2019-03-15 11:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] penguinzero
They largely wanted people to think it was a left-wing protest, because they on some level know how much more numerous and socially acceptable their enemies are. They wanted to 'pull one over on the libs' by weaponizing the fact that society's less tolerant of jokes about rape and assault these days to take down a liberal figure.

Most liberal and progressive sites and reporters figured out the alt-right roots of this immediately, but Disney still caved to the trolls for all this time. (Sadly, big companies seem to be at least somewhat vulnerable to right-wing tactics.)

Date: 2019-03-16 03:14 pm (UTC)
shadwing: Psi SW2 Game Card (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadwing
This was also done by the alt-right as retribution for the (rightful) firing of Roseanne for her tweets.

Some Higher-Ups at Disney knee-jerked and fired Gunn thinking the two situations were similar and they couldn't make an exception for Gunn after they terminated Rosanne for so called "Similar Behavior". Not quite realizing the full story at the time and then refused to swallow some pride and humble pie and reverse the decision sooner.

My theory is they were hoping/betting that they would have people lining up to Direct GotG3, and when nobody did and when they tried putting out feelers for who would take the job most directors said 'No' in support of Gunn and in protest of how he was fired...eventually Disney caved.

Date: 2019-03-15 08:45 pm (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
Right-wing trolls hate him because he is a vocal critic of Trump, so they dug out some 10-year-old tweets where he makes some truly abominable jokes. Very bad stuff.

(But, again, 10-year-old. And he apologized for them years ago, before he started working for Disney, so he wasn't just pretending o be sorry to save his job. And he has since massively improved as a person).

Since this stuff was hideous, left-wingers of the Purity Culture variety demanded that Disney fire him. Because doing exactly what your opponents wants you to do is such a smart idea, apparently.

Date: 2019-03-15 09:05 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Glad to see this, it would have felt really strange to get a Guardians movie without him. But I hope Disney had give him a truckload of money and beg forgiveness before he'd come back.

Date: 2019-03-16 12:32 am (UTC)
angelophile: (Empowered - Sigh)
From: [personal profile] angelophile
Ugh.

Date: 2019-03-16 01:01 am (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Do you disagree with this action?

Date: 2019-03-16 05:32 am (UTC)
nate_abril96: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nate_abril96
May we ask why? Tired of his style, or just not a fan of Gunn as a person? Any reason is valid.

Date: 2019-03-16 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raveninthewind
Who makes jokes about breaking his daughter anally? James Gunn.

I dunno if that's because he's a pedo, but if he is, an apology means nothing.

Seriously, who thinks that's funny?

(And I am not alt-right. I wish this never happened.)
Edited Date: 2019-03-16 07:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-17 03:12 am (UTC)
raveninthewind: Crow (Crow by Aki)
From: [personal profile] raveninthewind
I know that. But he does think pedo humor is funny. I read all those capped tweets.

Date: 2019-03-18 01:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] poshmerchant
Joke formula: Describe an abhorrent act that you would never do. The joke is that only people not in on the joke would think you were interested or capable in the abhorrent act. The problem with that joke formula to me is that it is elitist -- it relies on your audience knowing what you would or would not do, which is not workable on a broadcast medium like Twitter.

Date: 2019-03-31 11:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raveninthewind
Plus the joke itself pleases people who don't find it abhorrent, which is why it's not a good practice.

Date: 2019-03-18 04:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] angelophile
Because I don't really care who 'outed' him recently - Gunn's history or sexism and homophobia was well known before he was even hired for Guardians and his films since haven't done anything to convince me that he has, as he claims, learnt or grown as a person. His films are still vile (I hate Super with a firey passion) and the sexism and racism is still evident in his work - just look at his interpretations of Gamora or the orientalist reworking of Mantis for that.

His filmmaking speaks for itself. The Marvel universe would have been far better off without him.
Edited Date: 2019-03-18 04:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-19 12:41 pm (UTC)
angelophile: (Default)
From: [personal profile] angelophile
You can be sexist to some people and be perfectly fine with others. You can be loyal to a gay friend, but that doesn't mean you can't be homophobic to strangers.

I understand that people who are intimately familiar with Gunn on a personal level may have different views than those who only know him through his work.

Perhaps I should have clarified - I find his work homophobic, sexist and racist and his comments often the same. So I have no interest in seeing any of it.

If he considers you a friend, maybe he's lovely, but I don't know him on that level and never will.

Date: 2019-03-16 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] doodleboy
Guess Disney did the whole "Have the guy lie low until the controversy dies down" trick.

Which... honestly I'm ambivalent about. Like the attacks on James Gunn were obviously in bad faith and GOTG is a personal project for Gunn so I'm glad he's still on-board. But part of me knows that Disney will also try this on actual abusive people (like they just had Lassenter go on a sabbatical for a while instead of outright firing him until they realize the controversy around him won't be stopping).

In an ideal world Disney would've just ignored the people trying to fire people like James Gunn and kick out the actual abusers. But that requires a big corporation like Disney to make decisions based on ethics and values rather than money, so the idea of that is kind of laughable.
Edited Date: 2019-03-16 12:58 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-16 02:27 am (UTC)
cygnia: (Vodka!)
From: [personal profile] cygnia
Admittedly, part of me wanted Rocket directing Lady Grootga.

Date: 2019-03-16 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Good, the circumstances behind his firing were all kinds of shady.

Setting aside any regrettable tweets though, I'm still kinda baffled that they hired the guy to make Marvel movies. Did they hire him without watching any of his previous work? Super alone really should have blacklisted the guy from big two superheroes.

Having said that, he did fine once he got the job (even if most of the characters have very little in common with their DnA counterparts).

Now put Moondragon and Phyla on the team, you coward.

Date: 2019-03-16 11:09 am (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
They did give him a project that was widely expected to bomb. GOTG was meant as an experiment, a "throw stuff at wall and see what sticks" project for a company that realized that you can't make movies about the same 3 guys forever and need to start looking around for alternatives.

(And it STILL took those fuckers over ten years before they gave minorities a chance. Nat was the only main Avenger not to get a movie, meanwhile Ant-Man got one).

Absolutely nobody expected GotG to make almost 800 million dollars.

Date: 2019-03-16 03:28 pm (UTC)
shadwing: Psi SW2 Game Card (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadwing
Blame Permutter. Feige realized the market for PoC and female led movies and was pushing for Black Panther and Captain Marvel as early as phase two with several Black Widow pitches for phase one with one being noted as happening along side the first Iron Man all nixed by the "Creative Board".

He had to barter with agreeing to put Inhumans on the schedule in return for green lights on BP and CM and that was a FIGHT if rumors are correct, Feige was FURIOUS that Wonder Woman got out before they got Captain Marvel off the ground.

Date: 2019-03-16 03:46 pm (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I still think that's a shame Inhumans ended up the way that did.

Date: 2019-03-17 03:48 pm (UTC)
shadwing: Psi SW2 Game Card (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadwing
The Inhumans Series was Perlmetters knee jerk reaction to Feige's removal of Inhumans from the film schedule, the latter wants to do it but he's looking for the right time/place and team to make it happen and make it work, basically the Inhumans needs its own James Gunn.

The Former got all pissed and rushed the series into production on the cheap and got IMAX to foot some of the bill, the end result was a dud of a series and a damaged relationship with IMAX which most likely torked off Disney to no end and makes me believe that is why all the future Marvel Series are going under the new Disney controlled streaming service and not the TV branch of Marvel Entertainment (which Perlmetter controls).

Date: 2019-03-16 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
I do think it's... interesting that this news comes out just after Captain Marvel has proven an unqualified success for the studio.

After the troubled release of the Ghostbusters film, I was prepared to accept that entitled alt-right and conservative fanboys could at least dent the market for nerd shit, especially openly feminist nerd shit. Had CM landed with a thud, I expect that would've been considered supporting evidence. But as it is...

Date: 2019-03-16 06:05 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Default)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
Apparently Gunn's return was in the works behind the scenes for a while, so I don't think Captain Marvel's success was related.

I also think what hurt Ghostbusters more was them being unable to release it in China.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ghostbusters-denied-release-china-910563

Date: 2019-03-16 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
Oh, yes, I'd forgotten about the China thing. I do think there were a couple of other factors that hobbled its performance in the States... I know this is heresy, but maybe not every part of the Eighties nerd pantheon was destined for 21st-century success, especially not the bro-iest comedy ever to be filed in the "science fiction" section at Blockbuster?

And as cyberghostface says, Sony's last decade or so of making and marketing films hasn't been great. Into the Spider-Verse was a minor miracle, all things considered.

Date: 2019-03-18 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
maybe not every part of the Eighties nerd pantheon was destined for 21st-century success

If Kingdom of the Crystal Skull couldn't impart that lesson on the Hollywood psyche, I'd say nothing could.

Date: 2019-03-17 01:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] servant_iskandar
There's also another detail worth considering: at the time, the big deal with Fox was on the table. The allegations against James, however inane, were a not-too-subtle wrench thrown in the middle of those ongoing negotiations.

I don't think the House of Mouse was very pleased with that. IMHO, the act of benching Gunn may have been a tactical retreat since the beginning; one that allowed them to strike that deal and get pressure off,.

And as soon as they had everyting in place, including the rights to the X-Men and the FF4, they had their hands free: I'm not discounting the fact Bautista, Waititi and others spoke in favor of Gunn of course, but when the Mouse does this kind of twist and turn, it's certainly a move that carries a lot of weight.

The fact they even allowed the "interim" with DC about Suicide Squad speaks volumes, at least for me.


Edited Date: 2019-03-17 01:24 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-17 03:51 pm (UTC)
shadwing: Psi SW2 Game Card (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadwing
A friend of my also mentioned the Fox deal as a possible reason why they needed to 'fire' Gunn, the fact the announcement of his rehiring is within a week of the final date of the merger being announced is a good point.

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Date: 2019-03-17 06:29 pm (UTC)
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