Date: 2019-04-11 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Why are the best Spider-Man books always the ancillary ones?

Date: 2019-04-11 03:45 pm (UTC)
goattoucher: (Pamcakes)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
Because they can focus on the character on not an author's overarching per plotline, or worse: an editorially mandated plotline.

When I was a kid in the '90s, I enjoyed "Spectacular" far more than "Amazing."

Date: 2019-04-11 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] zachbeacon
Especially in the early and late 90s when it was DeMatteis.

Then you have Jenkins blowing JMS out of the water (I don't know why JMS gets so much love for his Aunt May, Paul handed the secret ID reveal better in one issue)

And that guy we don't talk about here on the previous FN Spidey.

And Zdarsky just recently.

Date: 2019-04-11 12:59 am (UTC)
beyondthefringe: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
"Where else would I be?"
Well, depending on the writer and how much they wanted to ramp up the angst, the answer is "Literally anywhere else, as Spider-Man, trying to save lives/stop super-villains/caught in a death-trap, so that by the time you arrive, you're too late and everyone is once again disappointed in you and you can wallow in angst and despair."

You know, classic Spider-Man.
So Peter showing up is actually a nice surprise.

Date: 2019-04-11 01:21 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Or a supervillain saying "Gee, where is he? He usually would be swinging in saying a horribly dated quip about now." Which is at least funnier.

Date: 2019-04-11 09:31 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
That's what I was thinking.

Date: 2019-04-11 05:54 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Yeah, but knowing how his luck is and how Marvel like to rehash idea, Peter's choice to do something for himself, even being there for his Aunt, would backfire somehow...

Date: 2019-04-11 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I was surprised by his "I have a lot going on right now" line. This is AUNT MAY, I don't care if Dark Phoenix is killing pigeons in Central Park, he'd still say he was going to be there. Whether he managed it or not is something else, but he'd absolutely say he was going to be there.

Date: 2019-04-11 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] michaelhealy
"Also I dropped the magical cure for cancer a while ago."

Date: 2019-04-11 03:47 pm (UTC)
goattoucher: (Pamcakes)
From: [personal profile] goattoucher
Not his fault:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReedRichardsIsUseless

There is no reason that Dr. Strange -can't- cure cancer or a bullet hole, except that it would A: reduce the stakes, B: undermine the narrative, and C: undermine the "world outside your window" philosophy of the MU.
Edited Date: 2019-04-11 04:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-04-11 06:00 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Wait, DOES Aunt May still have that bullet hole? Or was it retcon out of existance like how Tony was adopted and he had secret disabled-bodied brother?

Date: 2019-04-11 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Tony was still adopted, his biological mother has become a part of his supporting cast

And Arno recently returned in Slott's Iron Man series as well, he's teamed up with Sunset Bain and will likely become Iron Man 2020 in the next year or so

Date: 2019-04-11 06:56 pm (UTC)
scelestus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] scelestus
Holy COW I'm old. I remember being blown away by the Iron Man of 2020's first appearance. Now within a year it'll literally be 2020. Jeez...

Date: 2019-04-11 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
Making a deal with an interdimensional demon would be a very very bad idea.

Date: 2019-04-11 05:44 am (UTC)
burkeonthesly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
"Another punch on the card, huh, kid? Say, you're halfway to a free sammich!"

Date: 2019-04-11 06:50 am (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
But flaming skull Spider-Man would be such a good look.

Date: 2019-04-11 02:41 am (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
"Hey Franklin, could you do your old pal Spidey a BIG favor?"

Date: 2019-04-11 03:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luxshine
There's also T'challa. And I think Thor would love to help since I believe Aasgard has the cure for cancer just that Jane was too stubborn to use it. And well, there's a lot of healers in the X-men. Pretty sure someone NOT Mephisto could help with this one.

Date: 2019-04-12 08:37 pm (UTC)
bruinsfan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Thor was bringing people back to life all over the place when he had the Odinpower, but I'm not sure I'd trust the version Aaron is writing to shovel snow out of Aunt May's driveway, nevermind supply a cure for cancer.

Date: 2019-04-13 01:12 am (UTC)
luxshine: (Default)
From: [personal profile] luxshine
That's a good point. But well, there are Aasgardian doctors, and Jane is the midgard embassador so she could point to a good, competent Aasgardian doctor.

Date: 2019-04-11 11:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crinos
You know, I wonder if Mephisto knew this was gonna happen when he agreed to bring Aunt May back to life.

Peter: So, you'll bring Aunt May back in exchange for my Marriage? And that's it? Nothing else?

Mephisto: Yep. *Snicker*

Peter: What's so funny? Its never a good thing when the devil is snickering.

Mephisto: Oh nothing, it'll be funny later. Trust me.

Peter:.....

*Ten years later*

Aunt May: Peter, I have cancer.

Peter:....That Bastard.

Aunt May: ???

Mephisto: ITS A SWITCHEROO! RING A DING DING.

Date: 2019-04-11 05:48 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Yeah, sorry, that idea of how OMD is inaccurate after OMIT...

Turns out that Peter and MJ were STILL together for their time being married, just without actually being married. So Mephisto got jack squat from the deal outside of their wedding rings which hold no significance in anyway... And according to editor, MJ ruined his chances of screwing over Peter when she made him promise to "Leave Peter Alone".

Also, according OMIT, Mephisto didn't really do ANYTHING to keep Aunt may alive, just retconing both the marriage and the standard rule of MU time travel. He just set up how the marriage got canceled and Pete brought Aunt May back by super powered chest-compression when she flat line....

Date: 2019-04-11 10:06 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: b/w (Default)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
And according to editor, MJ ruined his chances of screwing over Peter whe she made him promise to "Leave Peter Alone".

Good thing that Mephisto is the prince of cute kittens then, and not something else that could, you know, relate to promises then.

Date: 2019-04-12 02:43 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Again, word from the editor, Joe Quesda himself, said "Mary Jane beaten Mephisto at his own game." in the post credit editorial of OMIT to explain things. And remember, when it came out, OMIT was made to fully explain how OMD worked several years later and cement the fact that Peter and MJ were done...

Date: 2019-04-13 11:44 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Yeah here's the thing, the whole "MJ beat Mephisto at his own game" thing is a) a stupid as contrivance made up to shut up fans who were mad at Peter for making a deal with literal Satan, and B) doesn't actually address the fact that PETER MADE A DEAL WITH SATAN.

I mean, if you think the main problem with one more day is "Oh well now Mephisto has something over Peter, and he may have to deal with the consequences of his stupid stupid actions", then you might be missing the forest for the trees.

Date: 2019-04-14 07:40 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Technically, OMIT seem to try to make it seem like the whole deal and split up of Peter and Mary Jane was all MJ. Like she was the one who whispered that she would have Peter accept the deal, she stopped marring Peter because how she felt about him being Spider-Man and ends with her leaving him... But of course, this fooled nobody at all.

I know the deal had no real lasting effect on Peter as a story element. Mephisto said he wanted Peter to suffer knowing he was missing MJ, only a few issues later; he is living up without much care or angst. Not only but Joe also went out his way to also state that due to Mephistio preventing the marriage from taking place, he pretty much screw himself over the deal he as the marriage itself didn't happened; not only making the embodiment of evil in the universe look like a novice in dealmaking, but also kinda broke the rules how time travel works in the MU (basically, DBZ multiverse theory rules). So yeah: A basic a summary about OMD and OMIT is that Everything DID happen while everything DIDN'T happened...

Date: 2019-04-14 07:47 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
For the record, they are actually doing a WAY better version of this story in Champions. Basically, the team went on a mission, and Kamala and Viv died, so Miles made a deal with Mephisto to turn back time and save them. Miles did, but because of that he was too busy to save an innocent bystander that he saved in the original timeline and she died. Miles eventually confessed what he did to Kamala and quit the team out of shame.

Then cut to Mephisto and Blackheart in Hell, where Mephisto reveals he didn't want to get Miles soul yet, he just wanted to crush his spirit and maybe set him up for a future deal, plus he just likes making Spider-people suffer.

See, that is how you do a story like this. Its almost like the writers were trying to upstage OMD.

Date: 2019-04-11 06:47 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Which is exactly what happened with Johnny Blaze. Sold his soul to cure his father's cancer, then his father got killed in an accident almost immediately afterwars.

Date: 2019-04-11 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] owlbrigade1
Is Wakanda still hoarding the cure for cancer then, or is Marvel just hoping we'll forget that one?

Date: 2019-04-11 03:42 pm (UTC)
joetuss: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
There's like a billion places Peter could go to get May cured yet Wakanda is the only place that ever sticks with some people in here.

Date: 2019-04-11 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well that's because it's the place it's been confirmed to exist. All the others are theoretical ones

Date: 2019-04-11 08:29 pm (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
Not sure why you would say that. There have been other cancer cures that actually showed up. Norman Osborn invented one during Dark Reign and used it against Deadpool to mess with his healing factor. When Foggy had cancer during the Waid/Samnee run, Hank Pym cured him with Pym Particles.

Date: 2019-04-12 05:44 am (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Hopefully he didn't shrink the tumor small enough to shunt it to Microverse. Or if he did then hopefully it shrunk to normal size there too. Because his CV is bad enough without adding a world destroying cancer into it.

Date: 2019-04-11 03:32 pm (UTC)
thenicochan: (Jean (Sophie Turner))
From: [personal profile] thenicochan
NGL, at first I was really disappointed with Peter when he "had a lot going on", but then the ending literally made me get misty eyed at work.

Damn it. I dunno if this makes me easy or not, but it got to me.

Date: 2019-04-11 03:44 pm (UTC)
joetuss: (Default)
From: [personal profile] joetuss
Im pretty sure that first bit about him being busy was fear talking. That's what I got from his inner monologue anyway.

Date: 2019-04-11 04:22 pm (UTC)
thenicochan: {...} from Hanna is Not a Boy's Name (Zombie feels fine)
From: [personal profile] thenicochan
Which is totally fair! I was mostly concerned he was gonna get tied up with something else and end up missing her appointment, and we'd have to see standing there sadly while she goes through this scary process and just, yeah.

Date: 2019-04-11 05:42 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
... hard to take Aunt May's terminal illness seriously when they done this like 2-3 times now... and the last time, the big one that was when she was shot as the result of Peter's actions in Civil War, to which EVERYONE in the MU say they can't do anything, despite being being super scientists or specialists in mystic arts), and THE only way she was saved was when Mephy just literally took Pete and MJ's wedding rings (not the ACTUAL time they had married as OMIT retcon about) and Peter doing super-strong compressions on her frail body...

Also, had to ask... did Pete and MJ got together "again" in time for the new movie or was it before they planned that?

Date: 2019-04-12 03:47 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (superman--lois (witch))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
I kinda want to read about Galactus having a love child with Saturn.

Date: 2019-04-13 10:49 am (UTC)
sisterofbloomerjunior: Husky on blanket (Default)
From: [personal profile] sisterofbloomerjunior
Same here.

... Are the Red Skull pics part of Memphiso's plan?

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