I'm enjoying this discussion as well. I really enjoy analyzing these kind of things.
However, the one actor I'm shocked hasn't spoken up more is Ezra Miller.
Is Ezra in the Flash Movie? Because if he is - that may be the reason he stayed silent?
If not, maybe he didn't - and we just don't know about it? Or maybe both.
It's hard to know.
Regarding the differences in how the directors or rather MCU under Whedon and the DCU under Snyder handled violence (and also by extension Nolan) in film?
I remember a friend explaining to me once that she could handle the action sequences in the Avengers - because they were fun and "comic bookish" (her words not mine), and easier to watch. She didn't like "realistic" violence.
I am of two minds about it. I get her point, and I admit I don't always like violence in film - I struggle with at times, but if you are going to show it - I prefer being honest about it. The fun version kind of romanticizes it a little.
Sam Peckinpah - created a kind of slow-mo violence in the Spaghetti Westerns, and 70s Westerns, that changed how people depicted violence in film. Coppola followed his example in the Godfather films, as did Scorsese. Violence in those films is visceral.
Nolan also makes the violence visceral. I adore Nolan's Dark Knight Returns - but I can't rewatch it - the violence is painful.
Snyder's violence is not quite as visceral - actually Snyder's is closer to Peckinpah's old 70's Western epics. It's like watching a dance. It feels like looking at paintings of violence - and it is graphic and painful, and epic.
I honestly think Endgame and Infinity War came close to that, as did Thor Ragnarock (which was a blend of comedy and epic - maybe the WB needed the director of that film - which actually is an amazing director by the name of Taika Waititi. Not that he'd have agreed to do Justice League.
I'm trying to remember what I thought of MoS. I did not dislike it. I appreciated it - for being somewhat innovative. I liked the idea of Superman being alienated, and less the humorous Clark Kent. My mistake - was I saw it in 3D, so the action scenes gave me a headache. I may re-watch on HBO Max at some point. Along with Batman vs. Superman (which actually had some great scenes).
I think DCU's problem was they were going up against the MCU juggernaught. Snyder states in an interview with NY Times - that WB wanted what MCU was doing, and he didn't think that was a good idea. MCU was doing a great job with it. Why copy it? Snyder didn't want to copy, he wanted to do something different. Which is the conflict between artists and well business executives/marketing folks. The artist wants to create something new, the business guy/marketing guy wants something that is well easy to sell, and guaranteed to bring in a profit. He doesn't want risk. And if XYZ is making billions, he wants something just like it so he can make billions too.
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However, the one actor I'm shocked hasn't spoken up more is Ezra Miller.
Is Ezra in the Flash Movie? Because if he is - that may be the reason he stayed silent?
If not, maybe he didn't - and we just don't know about it? Or maybe both.
It's hard to know.
Regarding the differences in how the directors or rather MCU under Whedon and the DCU under Snyder handled violence (and also by extension Nolan) in film?
I remember a friend explaining to me once that she could handle the action sequences in the Avengers - because they were fun and "comic bookish" (her words not mine), and easier to watch. She didn't like "realistic" violence.
I am of two minds about it. I get her point, and I admit I don't always like violence in film - I struggle with at times, but if you are going to show it - I prefer being honest about it. The fun version kind of romanticizes it a little.
Sam Peckinpah - created a kind of slow-mo violence in the Spaghetti Westerns, and 70s Westerns, that changed how people depicted violence in film. Coppola followed his example in the Godfather films, as did Scorsese. Violence in those films is visceral.
Nolan also makes the violence visceral. I adore Nolan's Dark Knight Returns - but I can't rewatch it - the violence is painful.
Snyder's violence is not quite as visceral - actually Snyder's is closer to Peckinpah's old 70's Western epics. It's like watching a dance. It feels like looking at paintings of violence - and it is graphic and painful, and epic.
I honestly think Endgame and Infinity War came close to that, as did Thor Ragnarock (which was a blend of comedy and epic - maybe the WB needed the director of that film - which actually is an amazing director by the name of Taika Waititi. Not that he'd have agreed to do Justice League.
I'm trying to remember what I thought of MoS. I did not dislike it. I appreciated it - for being somewhat innovative. I liked the idea of Superman being alienated, and less the humorous Clark Kent.
My mistake - was I saw it in 3D, so the action scenes gave me a headache. I may re-watch on HBO Max at some point. Along with Batman vs. Superman (which actually had some great scenes).
I think DCU's problem was they were going up against the MCU juggernaught. Snyder states in an interview with NY Times - that WB wanted what MCU was doing, and he didn't think that was a good idea. MCU was doing a great job with it. Why copy it? Snyder didn't want to copy, he wanted to do something different. Which is the conflict between artists and well business executives/marketing folks. The artist wants to create something new, the business guy/marketing guy wants something that is well easy to sell, and guaranteed to bring in a profit. He doesn't want risk. And if XYZ is making billions, he wants something just like it so he can make billions too.