Hopefully now that you have seen it you understand better why I'm less understading, if that is correct term, of Whedon's product in the end. Because it is such whole-sale change in the Whedon version, in many cases in ways that have nothing to do with length or even making it lighter. Now this doesn't mean that I feel Whedon is alone responsible, but it made the Whedon version so much more baffling. Even the takes on the humor there are worse as, and I've seen this already pointed out a lot, almost all the best jokes in the theater version of Justice League are also in the Snyder Cut, indicating that they were his.
But it is the messing with the action scenes that continues to stun me. For example that initial Diana scene was not only truncutated, but they removed the moment when Diana checks on the hostages and talks with the young girl. Regarding that, Dan Murrell really encapsulated it well within his spoiler review in that almost all the changes in the movie reduced the agency/role of female and POC characters. Like not only did they make this story about white guys, but they changed the original version more to be about white guys. Now even if you don't think it is blatant racism, it speaks a lot about how much value those in charge saw in those kinds of characters. Having seen this, I sympathize so much more with Ray Fisher as I cannot even imagine being on set and not only watching this happen to the central African American character, but also do every other minority character. And then having the producers/director not only be dismissive of it, but hostile to the point when raised.
And I cannot get over that they removed the Flash scene as the inclusion of that would have by itself given the movie a semblence of a positive legacy as at least people would refer it to having that scene. It feels like a crime that there was no chance to experience that on the big screen. What makes it worse is that the only logistical reason I can think of of removing it is that Cyborg is the end point for it, so they prioritized reducing his role so much that they were willing to sacrifice the Flash screen for that. Or then they really thought that family in a car was somehow more impressive a feat?
By the way, something that I really found myself appreciating after the movie was that only they feel more like a team here, but also how every member of the League did have an arc, even if they were not explicitly explained. The movie efficiently set up Arthur for the Aquaman by having him accept his willingness to stand for something, and I didn't realize how much the Whedon version made him into a joke. Flash's path had him truly embrace what he couild do. Cyborg doesn't need explaining. Even Superman had this moment of accepting his place in the world and finally felt the voices of his past converge.
However, to me the stories of Batman and Wonder Woman were more intriguing from a meta-context. With Batman, weirdly even though the Whedon cut had more dialogue on his path, it was really clumsy, while here we saw him accept hope and faith again as a driving force, reflecting this great change from he was in BvS. Diana, in turn, was reminded of home and her sisters there, the movie ending with her next journey there establihsed. The reason I found the Wonder Woman arc so curious is that it wasn't about Steve, but of the Amazonians. While WW84 basically made Steve the central thing that mattered to Diana. It's just really odd that she felt so much more empowered here.
To end, I realized something amusing that had completely passed me before. That first scene of Batman using a criminal to entrap a Parademon, that's directly from Geoff Johns' first issue of his run as a Justice Leagure writer. It is another exampe how much he impacted the Whedon version and a lot of changes do genuinely feel like Johns and/or Whedon wanting to prove that they had a better understanding how to tell stories than Snyder did.
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But it is the messing with the action scenes that continues to stun me. For example that initial Diana scene was not only truncutated, but they removed the moment when Diana checks on the hostages and talks with the young girl. Regarding that, Dan Murrell really encapsulated it well within his spoiler review in that almost all the changes in the movie reduced the agency/role of female and POC characters. Like not only did they make this story about white guys, but they changed the original version more to be about white guys. Now even if you don't think it is blatant racism, it speaks a lot about how much value those in charge saw in those kinds of characters. Having seen this, I sympathize so much more with Ray Fisher as I cannot even imagine being on set and not only watching this happen to the central African American character, but also do every other minority character. And then having the producers/director not only be dismissive of it, but hostile to the point when raised.
And I cannot get over that they removed the Flash scene as the inclusion of that would have by itself given the movie a semblence of a positive legacy as at least people would refer it to having that scene. It feels like a crime that there was no chance to experience that on the big screen. What makes it worse is that the only logistical reason I can think of of removing it is that Cyborg is the end point for it, so they prioritized reducing his role so much that they were willing to sacrifice the Flash screen for that. Or then they really thought that family in a car was somehow more impressive a feat?
By the way, something that I really found myself appreciating after the movie was that only they feel more like a team here, but also how every member of the League did have an arc, even if they were not explicitly explained. The movie efficiently set up Arthur for the Aquaman by having him accept his willingness to stand for something, and I didn't realize how much the Whedon version made him into a joke. Flash's path had him truly embrace what he couild do. Cyborg doesn't need explaining. Even Superman had this moment of accepting his place in the world and finally felt the voices of his past converge.
However, to me the stories of Batman and Wonder Woman were more intriguing from a meta-context. With Batman, weirdly even though the Whedon cut had more dialogue on his path, it was really clumsy, while here we saw him accept hope and faith again as a driving force, reflecting this great change from he was in BvS. Diana, in turn, was reminded of home and her sisters there, the movie ending with her next journey there establihsed. The reason I found the Wonder Woman arc so curious is that it wasn't about Steve, but of the Amazonians. While WW84 basically made Steve the central thing that mattered to Diana. It's just really odd that she felt so much more empowered here.
To end, I realized something amusing that had completely passed me before. That first scene of Batman using a criminal to entrap a Parademon, that's directly from Geoff Johns' first issue of his run as a Justice Leagure writer. It is another exampe how much he impacted the Whedon version and a lot of changes do genuinely feel like Johns and/or Whedon wanting to prove that they had a better understanding how to tell stories than Snyder did.