Teen Titans vs Doctor Light

[sweettart1823]

So, protogarrett asked for someone to post the Teen Titans taking on Doctor Light, I was going to post it later in my History of Mia scans, because this is her first mission as a Teen Titan. But whatever, I'm fine with posting it sooner. So here we go.




Technically this starts in an issue of Green Arrow with Doctor Light creeping on Mia, but I won't post that because it's just one page. We'll start in Teen Titans 22 where Doctor Light has Green Arrow kidnapped.



Mia goes to the Titans Tower, she meets the Titans and stuff, and then they get a transmission.







So they all head to Philadelphia







So next in Teen Titans 23 They start fighting him





He manages to beat them, and takes Mia up to where he's got Ollie tied up.





Hawk and Dove come in at this point and try and fight, even though Roy told them to stay back, but like Holly's going to listen pssh. Sorry I can't show you it's actually pretty fun though.





So continued in Teen Titans 24 I wish I could post the whole thing because each of the Titans gets their shot and it's pretty cool but I can't. So sorry about that guys. Anyway...















Then "Batman" and "Batgirl" come and take Doctor Light away, really it's Slade and Rose, and they take him to the Society so yeah. And then Vic talks to Oliver about what the hell all that was about.

And at first Ollie is all like 'does it matter' and Vic's like 'if it endangers the lives of these kids hell yeah it does' and I'm like well freaking finally someone said it. Because seriously Justice League? Seriously? Wiping a rapists mind and then letting them be a villain for the Titans who are basically your kids some literally, what the fuck? They were very stupid when it came to everything to do with all that... Whatever, I've ranted about this to many times to do it again.

But yes, that was the Teen Titans taking on Doctor Light.

Comments

[punishermax]

Thinking about it, yeah that is an enormously fucked up thing to do.

"Hmmmm we just caught Dr. Light raping Sue, let's mind wipe him then make him a villain in a teenage supergroup."

[sweettart1823]

It's one of the many things that always bothered me about all that crap that happened. It's very stupid and cold on their part... And they weren't even going to tell them either, until Vic pushed Ollie to do it.

You should have left Ralph and Sue the HELL Alone, Meltzer

[jlroberson]

"A rapist? PERFECT plaything for our TEENAGE KIDS!"

Seriously, IDENTITY CRISIS has so many things wr--wait, is there anything RIGHT with it?

All characters are out of character. Meltzer makes a point of shitting on every "innocent" character that he can. (the way he humiliates Ralph in the funeral by making him lose control of his face...no. Wrong. Wrong. Besides that I doubt Ralph would have taken Gingold that day) And none of the plot makes sense, and the plot as it stands makes the DCU heroes...well, fascists. I mean, first they do this to "protect" Sue. I see, so Sue will be happy to see her amnesiac rapist running about loose? Which had nothing to do with protecting any identity. THAT came in with a previous incident Ollie flashbacked to. Not the one that was the crux of the plot. (people forget how much Meltzer keeps moving the goalposts before you have a chance to say "Hey, wait a minute--") The way Jean kills Sue, and her reasons--no, Meltzer, it is not enough to say she's crazy. It simply made no sense. It was just a rationalization to fridge Sue. It redefines "contrived."

And once again, HOW EXACTLY does Jean end up being "disappeared" into Arkham without even the slightest official reason? Does Meltzer think this was the 50s where you can just commit your wife? Ray Palmer also has denied Ralph AND Sue justice by doing that. (You know, the "justice" Palmer was recently "crying" for--even REMEMBER that? I barely do)

IDENTITY CRISIS will one day be remembered as the mistake that undid the DCU.

[filkertom]

When Identity Crisis came out, I kept thinking of Doc Savage.

Doc Savage, the Man Of Bronze. He'd defeat a criminal, take him to a secret hospital in upstate New York, perform some surgery on his brain, and the crook would be a good and productive member of society.

I thought it was a pretty cool idea when I was eleven, even though I had troublesome questions about it.

I was immensely pissed off at pretty much everything IC did, no matter how well-told the story was. I really wish it had been an Elseworlds, because then we wouldn't have to deal with this... story arc.

[psychopathicus_rex]

Yeah, that was a... troublesome concept, all right. It fit well enough into the pulp era, back before the general public really understood brain surgery much, but it's kinda freaky to think about these days.

[jaybee3]

One thing I never understood (from the fall out) is how many people who were not directly involved in the mind-wiping know about it now - we know J'onn, Wally and Wonder Woman (though apparently Superman knew but looked the other way). Nightwing has never brought it up even after he joined Hal Jordan in the Justice League. Oracle (aka former Batgirl) is BFF with Black Canary (one of the conspirators) and never brought it up about what happened to Batman. No other heroes than Batman (even within the Bat-Crew) ever seems to have a problem with Zatanna, who original mind-wipe was the catalyst (according to revisionist DC history) for the paranoiac Bat-jerk who kept files on everyone. Even Alfred - who did know - didn't treat Zee differently. Nor did Supes or WW (once she found about it). Considering how much everyone claims to have loved Sue, and how they ALL complain how Batman acts like a jerk and distrustful, one would think they would have some bones to pick with their "friends". But no, apparently, only Batman gets to have issues with the conspirators (who covered it up and lied about it for years).

The weird thing about Identity Crisis is that DC wants to still claim its this huge even in both company history and current continuity and yet doesn't face the ramifications of it. Heck, Barry was part of it and now that he's back (and in fact Barry voted FOR the mindwipes) he's never brought it up either. I really don't see how other heroes (especially those closest to Batman) don't have "issues" at least with those who were involved with helping to turn Bruce into an obsessed jerk who took it on his loved ones.

[hawkmoondirge]

Yeah it really never came up. The only bit of IC that came up was Tim Drake trying to scare Boomerang.

[starwolf_oakley]

Supposedly there was going to be a big conversation between Oracle and Black Canary over mindwiping Bruce, but it never happened. Oh, well.

[hawkmoondirge]

I didn't think Light was this bifg of a threat. One parademon blast killed him back in Suicide squad yet the teen 5titans attacks barely hurt him. wtf

[icon_uk]

This is Light with his original personality, in full control of him faculties and powers. and post a Neron power-up. The Light in Teen Titans and Suicide Squad had basically had his brain scrambled.

Look, I know it makes no sense, it's the best I can do with the crap that we have to work with.

[ravenous_raven]

On the one hand, that...person (for lack of a better word)....getting owned and the Titans all together.

On the other hand...the whole issue that lead to this. Hate to say it, but even though his accusations are way off the mark, he has a good point with dignity. I would have just killed him though, done away with him running around and the whole issue with the Titans. Me personally, I'd rather die than have my memories taken, and since...that person...seems to agree, why not oblige him?


Also, why didn't Raven envelope him into her soul-self like she does in the cartoons?

[crinos]

I don't think Raven has those kind of powers in the comic, she's more of an empath/healer type.

As for Light losing his dignity. He raped Sue Dibny, that bastard doesn't deserve dignity.

Its like Black Canary said (I think it was her) when they fought during the Injustice League Unlimited arc a while later; "I'm supposed to feel sorry about what I did after what you did to Sue? I'm sorry I didn't do WORSE."

[protogarrett]

I enjoy an issue where a villain gets like this: cold, calculating, and knowing how to use his/her powers to utterly annihilate good guys.

Thanks sweettart1823, for posting. You rock my socks!

By the way, what does the mystery arrow do?

[kd_the_movie]

The mystery arrow was the phantom zone arrow. When used it would instantly transport whoever it hits into the Phantom Zone. Mia got it from Roy whole stole it from the Fortress of Solitude back when he was Speedy.

She finally used it on SBPrime when he attacked Kon during IC. Prime was so powerful, he broke right out tho.

[starwolf_oakley]

According to the TEEN TITANS "Infinite Crisis" issue, it will send the target to the Phantom Zone (complete with spinning square like the movies and SMALLVILLE).

[sweettart1823]

No prob bb :D

And yeah what everyone else said it was a Phantom Zone Arrow, Prime sort of broke through it easily though so to bad she didn't use it on Doctor Light. Oh well.

[psychopathicus_rex]

While the 'once a Titan, always a Titan' moment is pretty cool, I'm pretty sure there are some continuity glitches here. I mean, Duella Dent? Pantha and Baby Wildebeest? Weren't all three of them dead by this point? (Also, last time I checked, Duella was EXTREMELY out of favor with the Titans - officially, she never WAS a Titan. Why is she being accepted into their ranks so easily?)
Also, while the fight with Dr. Light is indeed epic, the ending is kind of blah. Basically, everybody fights him and then he gets the crap kicked out of him and he loses? How very original.

[sweettart1823]

That was after this Duella, Pantha and Baby Wildebeest dying I'm pretty sure and Duella being out of favor with the Titans. I think it was out of continuity her being close with them though. Because Conner makes a comment how she keeps talking about her time with the Titans but really she was only in the Titans for like two minutes which she wasn't but I guess in contituity she was. I think some times the Titans sort of ignore contituity and break the fourth wall sort of because I remember Bette Kane talking to Dick about "All the fun they used to have" as like a Bat-girl and Robin comment and Dick was like omg we hardly know each other.*shrug*

[bariman]

This was well before Infinite Crisis and all those characters' deaths.

[blackruzsa]

Dr. Light being badass,..... is it bad to say I like this?

[jcbaggee]

I enjoy a powerset like Light's being used in a badass fashion, yeah. I just hate he had to be retconned into a mind-wiped rapist for it to happen.

And this is from someone who liked Identity Crisis, so....

[bariman]

Well, there's badass in the "using his powers to their fullest logical extent," then there's badass in the "pulling new powers out of his ass" extent. Sucking up all the ambient light to power himself up? Cool, I could see that. Sucking out the lightning from Cassie's lasso or sucking the heat vision from Kon's eyes? WTF? So why can't he absorb Starfire's blasts? She's solar-powered.

[benicio127]

So much yuck here.
You know, I hate to say this, but there hasn't been much of Geoff Johns' work that's really stood out for me. And this, a continuation of Identity Crisis... ew.

[sweettart1823]

I don't hate Geoff Johns he's not my super favorite writer in the world and a lot of people say his Titans one was the last one that was good, I don't know if that's true or if that's just in comparison. *shrug* I don't know...

[shadowpsykie]

Since this was Speedy's coming out issue, i wish they had given her more to do in it... :(

can we have a Speedy is Awesome week?

[sweettart1823]

Every week is a Speedy is Awesome week with me 8D