AvsX Infinite #2

[crabby_lioness]

According to Newsarama Marvel repeats the earlier experiment this summer after "life-changing events", i.e. apparently the "No more Avengers" utterance.

(I'm betting it's Hope that says it, not Wanda.  That would make more sense.)






At least it doesn't look like another chase, but there's not enough to really tell.

Comments

[cainofdreaming]

Someone really should tell Rogue to zip it. The "(X)", I mean. Not a good look.

[crabby_lioness]

I agree, but some artists don't. Or I suspect they just don't think it through, as was the case with the infamous DC female super-suit that showed up on Mark Waid's Flash for a cold-based power that was entirely furry -- and slit to below the navel.

[cainofdreaming]

One of these days they're going to come up with a neckline that just goes on even after the costume has ended. I actually look forward to it, since afterwards the whole trope will be done, the shark jumped, the horse kicked and so forth.

[silicondream]

Was that Golden Glider? Because that would actually make some sense.

[crabby_lioness]

Captain Cold.

[trobadora]

God, yeah, that looks awful.

[icon_uk]

The trouble with this "No more Avengers" bit (amongt, I'm usre, many others) is "No more Mutants" clearly identified a target group who all had something in common. Being a mutant is, literally, in your DNA. If you have the gene, you were included (aside from the irksome handwave of it not affecting most of the X-Men.... X-Force... X-Factor, New Mutants and the like), if you don't have the gene it skipped over you.

It was annoying but there was a simple logic to it.

"No more Avengers" is just... annoyingly vague. Do they mean current Avengers? Anyone who has ever BEEN an Avenger? Anyone who is on a specific Avenger team? And what is intended to happen to those it affects? Death? Exile? Dimensional shunt? Their titles cancelled?

[kamino_neko]

Intense mutual hatred, preventing them from ever working together again?

[icon_uk]

At least them all being cursed with chronic BO which renders them incapable of even standing near each other (and Iron Man can't wear his own armour because, well, you know the old adage about something being as welcome as a fart in a wetsuit..?) would be something different.

[crabby_lioness]

As I said earlier, I suspect she (whichever "she" it is) shut down the A-gene, which allows its carriers to gain superpowers under life-threatening stress.

But that still leaves the various magical beings out there, and I include Gods in that category. Strange played a big part in undoing the House of M, so I can't see corrective measures against the magical community not being taken this time.

[werehawk]

and tech heroes a la Iron Man & Hawkeye

[razsolo]

Also, there is no actual A-gene?

DC has (well 'had', I dunno how it works in the new DCU) a metagene, but Marvel doesn't really have anything like that. There are mutants and then there are regular humans who are just like us in every conceivable way except that they get powers when exposed to weird things which should really kill them.

I mean very few people in Marvel who are exposed to ridiculous amounts of radiation/cosmic rays/etc actually die from it, to the point that people go out of their way to put themselves through that kind of thing knowing they're likely to get powers out of it. It's not that some of them have a special gene others lack, it's more that the physical laws on Marvel Earth are just tweaked a bit differently...everyone who was ever exposed to cosmic rays (including monkeys) got powers out of it. Everyone who's ever been exposed to gamma rays and didn't die of a bomb blast first got powers out of it. Etc. It's not like some people are just lucky, it seems to be generally the way the physical laws of reality work there...even Hellcat and Moondragon were completely normal women before they were trained into developing various levels of psychic power.....(Hellcat's is vague at best, but it has been brought up on occasion)

[crabby_lioness]

Until Marvel actually says the A-gene is no longer meta after 40 years, I'm going to keep working with the premise that it is.

[arbre_rieur]

What do you mean by "meta" here?

[panthyr]

Rick Jones was exposed to gamma radiation and got cancer - not exactly a superpower.

[razsolo]

Isn't he one of the Hulks now though? I know people have gotten cancer through exposure to gamma rays in Marvel, I just figured it was a matter of being exposed to the right amount of radiation to empower rather than kill...

It's not like you can have a special gene some days and not others (unless Wanda has a say in it apparently, lol)

[cainofdreaming]

A-Bomb, yes. Also he's actually one of the premier examples of Celestial tampering, Destiny Force is one of those things that make cosmics nervous about humanity in general.

[dr_archeville]

As I said earlier, I suspect she (whichever "she" it is) shut down the A-gene, which allows its carriers to gain superpowers under life-threatening stress.

But isn't that the same gene/sequence of genes as what gives the X-Men and other Marvel Mutants their powers? The tinkering the Celestials did to humanity's ancestors gives them the potential or superpowers; in some the genes activate with no external catalyst (like most Mutants), but for others (like the F4 and Hulk and Daredevil and Spider-Man and etc.) their genes need a 'boost' to get going.

[crabby_lioness]

No, it's two different genes that produce very similar results under different stimuli. Which is quite common in RL genetics.

Theoretically, one could have both genes. I think Franklin Richards does.

[esco]

That's interesting. I was wondering that myself. What if a child received meta powers before their x-gene activated. Would it mean the x-gene activated earlier or would they get additional powers when the x-gene did activate? Wish Marvel could be clearer about all that like it is now in the Ultimate Universe

[crabby_lioness]

Their titles cancelled?

And Ms. Marvel's title is just supposed to be beginning around this time.

[werehawk]

I think it will probably be "the Avengers never formed" and the X-men step up to become the world's beloved heroes. Of course, one way the Avengers may not have formed would be no powers except for mutants (fixed DNA, which makes more sense biologically anyway). But I think it will be more of an event leading to no Avengers team.

[icon_uk]

Aside from the Phoenix having no abilities to do with temporal manipulation that I recall (Rachel sort of had that power because it was her own mutation distinct from what she got from her parents but that was limited), that does strike me as being masterfully self-defeating for Marvel, who should have been planning on capitalising on the Avengers movie right about now.

[darkblade]

This is the company that cancelled the Ghost Rider on going two months before the new movie came out.

[icon_uk]

In fairness, what I saw of that movie would certainly make me want to bury the title, pretend I'd never published it and salt the earth, just in case.

[full_metal_ox]

And was I the only one thinking, "Screw this crap--Sam Elliott's Carter Slade seems a helluva lot more interesting; how about a Weird Western film starring him as the Ghost Rider?"

[donnblake]

There was the whole Morrison "Days of Future Now" thing, where she rebooted an alternate timeline.

[trobadora]

Well, it depends on the context in which it's said, doesn't it? We don't know enough yet.

And what is intended to happen to those it affects? Death? Exile? Dimensional shunt? Their titles cancelled?

Renaming? *g*

[leoboiko]

“From now on we’re called The Revengers. There you go, no more avengers”

[full_metal_ox]

And will Richard Benson, John Steed, and Emma Peel be retconned out of existence?

[md84]

Maybe it just means Hope/Phoenix is planning on killing the Avengers.

[abriel]

What-the-fuck-ever Marvel. Just get through this crap so that we can read Carol as Captain Marvel come July and see if the Avengers will be readable again now that Bendis is leaving.

[littlepunkryo]

What's really gonna be is annoying is if whatever happens to the Avengers is so incredibly stupid and annoying right around when Bendis leaves that nobody wants to read it. Like a situation where we finally get rid of him but still don't wanna read because it's so ridiculous.

[abriel]

That's what I'm scared off as well.

I'm hoping that even if he does leave things in complete shambles that we get talent good enough that they'll be able to clean up whatever mess he leaves behind. Cause so far from the previews of this "Round 2" thing I'm not liking what I'm seeing. Not that I've liked anything else about this crossover.

[razsolo]

I am maybe a little bit terrified that they're going to use this as a great opportunity to reboot the Avengers franchise to match the movie-verse as much as possible.

eg: make it so that all the non-A-listers like Mantis, Stingray, Silverclaw etc were never actually Avengers at all and we are left with only the members who are currently active in the franchise as ever having BEEN active Avengers.

I mean I may be completely off-base and will be very happy to be proven wrong....it just strikes me that the list of people who have been Avengers at some point or another currently encompasses a LOT of characters and Marvel might decide to prune that back a bit?

[bjornwilde]

They did it to Fury so why not?

[dewinged]

This is what I am afraid will happen.

Basically, like House of M, if you're into the non-A-lister characters, you get disappointed, and end up having to wait for table scraps like a character you like being part of a crowd scene or something.

[full_metal_ox]

If they're not killed off altogether (see the recent demotion of Doctor Strange in favor of Brother Voodoo--who then promptly succumbed to the last-hired-first-refrigerated rule that tends to plague both non-A-listers and characters of color.)

[brooms]

superstar creators Mark Waid, Yves “Balak” Bigerel and Carlo Barberi bring fans a must read story featuring Cyclops and how the world is seen through his eyes

i feel like we have been seeing it since whedon's astonishing, then fraction, brubaker, and now gillen.

but i like waid's work on dd.

i wonder how many books i'll get to keep after this whole thing is over. hickman is leaving ff, yes? that's sad.

[crabby_lioness]

HOpefully another writer who can do justice to the FF will take over -- in 10-20 years.

[long_silence]

I doubt "No More Avengers" will last longer than the event itself, this will be what 2 thirds of the way through?

[crabby_lioness]

I gather it will be Act 2 of 3.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

Please tell me that Wanda saying "no more Avengers" is some sort of metaphor, analogy, hyperbole, exaggeration, anything... anything but literal.

[full_metal_ox]

Ms. Maximoff, repeat after me: "No more Bendis."

Marry Me

[blue_bolt]

This. This a thousand times over.

[salinea]

oh yes.