Titans Annual #1

[lordultimus]

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[sarahnewlin]

Donna looks a little.....anime-inspired (?) in some of those panels.

Who is the redheaded person with the green cape?

[chrisdv]

Lillith Clay/Omen.

[agharta75]

Not. Again.

[lyricalswagger]

I am sooooooooooooo tired of them constantly asking who Wonder Girl and/or Donna Troy is.

I'm at the point where I think it would be better off if they just wrote the character out entirely.

(Of course, they've tried to do THAT multiple times, and it never stuck.)

[q99]

Enough with convoluted Donna origins!

[akodo_rokku]

This isn't a reveal to anyone who at least glanced at the Finches' Wonder Woman run, though.

I'm not saying it's good, but it's not a retcon or anything so it's not TOO convoluted.

[lordultimus]

The problem is a) the Finches run was wiped away by Rucka, and b) it contradicts things Donna has said previously in Titans about her human family still living.

[icon_uk]

Donna has had an adoptive family before

[lordultimus]

I mistyped. There's apparently a whole mom/stepmom situation with her now, which this doesn't explain.



In any case, this can't be part of the Finches run, since that happened recently, and Donna had some form of her Teen Titan days restored, hence this title's existence.

[icon_uk]

Once you've thrown the excision of ten years of memory and events caused by Abra Kadabra, her origin having inconsistencies is, I think, to be expected.

Me, I'm still wondering who "Justin" was, who was mentioned in the New52 Teen Titans #1 as being a member of an earlier incarnation. Prior to Editorial deciding that there had never been a Titans team before Tim's new one, of course.

[lego_joker]

IMO, the capital P-Problem with Donna's origin is that there's a constant tug-of-war between the Wonder Woman people and the Teen Titans people over who gets to "define" the character. Once George Perez stopped bridging the two it was only a matter of time before things blew up.

Worse still is the fact that there's no easy answer to the above question. In terms of (code)name and iconography Donna certainly *seems* like a Wonder Woman character first, but the fact is, she's never been as important to Diana's mythos as she was (is?) to the Titans'. Hell, she only *exists* as an independent character because of Titans creator Bob Haney.

(There's also the thornier question of whether Diana even needs a sidekick, which is probably tied into whether one prefers her to be immortal or not. I'll leave that debate to stouter souls...)

[lordultimus]

It wouldn't be Donna if she didn't receive a retcon to her origin only to reverse back to that origin only to get a whole new origin.

[q99]

Donna Troy managed to be without those things for a good chunk of her life!

If 'overly complex continuity' is considered part of someone's thing, that's a part that should be dropped.

[locuatico]

I'm okay with this origin if only because it doesn't contradict too much the FInche's origin and i can overlook the continuity issues due to the "Lie".
The whole "She is not human because clay" bit... no.

[q99]

Granted, as Donna origins go, it's still way on the simpler end.

[long_silence]

In the beginning, the [Donna Troy origin retcons] were spaced by twenty four weeks.Then twelve, then six, then every two weeks.The last one, in [Titans], was a week. In four days we could be seeing a [Donna Troy origin retcon] every eight hours until they are coming every four minutes.

[tugrul]

This has me laughing 😂

[mastermahan]

A Category Five origin retcon!?

[bruinsfan]

Only Power Girl has ever gone there before!

[icon_uk]

Quantum Retcon Recursion!

[coldfury]

The entire Wonder Woman 'family' is a dumpster fire right now. Diana, Donna, they've pretty much shelved Cassie for the moment as far as I can tell.

There are so many things wrong with Diana's continuity right now, it's awe-inspiring. Between Rucka wiping everything away and the Superman merger, I have no idea what's in continuity for Diana at this point. Much less Donna or Cassie.

At this point, we're going to need a Wonder Woman: Re-Rebirth to fix all the characters' continuities.

[long_silence]

Isn't establishing a concrete Wonder Woman history what Rucka's doing with the Year One story?

Artemis is doing pretty well in the Outlaws so really the only dumpster fire in the family right now is Donna.

[coldfury]

Yeah, and they pulled it off by isolating her from Diana's tribe of Amazons. :)

[razsolo]

1) Donna's star boobs look ridiculous - at least if they were a little more underboob they wouldn't look so much like pasties

2) Diana being so completely unwilling to give someone the benefit of the doubt is really sad. They really have just eradicated any trace of classic WW from her character these days to make her Generic Amazon Warrior Princess huh? :\

Aside from that, I like the setup here and some of the execution; the Flashes interact well, and I like how Aqualad isn't being written as an afterthought

[tugrul]

In that one panel, where it literally seems like the stars are on the nipples instead of the sides of her chest really is ridiculous.

It was painful to read Donna being treated like that but keep in mind, Wonder Woman at this point learned she has never visited Paradise Island meaning she's been tricked, caught here the Key took away her lasso of truth and I get the idea that Batman using the parademon scanner confirms to Diana that this is the real Donna Troy. That's how I wanted to read it any way because "I hurt you by keeping you at a distance because I'm keeping a secret from you" read so ridiculous.

[tugrul]

OMG1 It's not just one panel. :o

[tigerkaya]

Hawkman and Donna, two characters so consulted they need to be erased.

[beyondthefringe]

What really sucks is that the New 52 was the perfect opportunity to fix complicated characters like then, and give them consistent origins and storylines.

Convergence was also a great opportunity.

Rebirth was also a great opportunity.

But every single time, they just further complicate characters.

[starwolf_oakley]

With Hawkman, a JSA story revealed the Thanagarians visited Ancient Egypt, which helped a little bit.

[starwolf_oakley]

Way back when, I thought when Bruce returned in "The Return of Bruce Wayne," he would remember Wonder Woman and Donna Troy but no one else would.

"Bruce... Who is Wonder Woman?"
"If leads to Who is Donna Troy I am not going to be happy."

[kd_the_movie]

Stars on the boobs, really?

Also in addition the fuckin up Donnas origin for traditions sake, can they give her green eyes or something to firmly distinguish her from Diana? DC annoys me to no end with insisting that Clark/Bruce, the Robins, and Diana/Donna must all be fucking indistinguishable.

[philippos42]

I would be cool with Donna having blue eyes if Diana had hazel eyes.

Of course, then Donna would still look like (a slightly taller) Zatanna. And I guess Dinah Lance is also a blue-eyed natural ravenhair.

OK, somebody needs to take charge and give them distinct facial features. Anyone?

[zylly]

I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/51/91/2c/51912cc92e66977e19d77c2b3bb13f3e.jpg

[razsolo]

That's gold ^_^

[mastermahan]

There are only two characters who's origins are so convoluted they get individual pages in TVTropes in Continuity Snarl trope. One of them is Hawkman.

[icon_uk]

In the interests of identifying artists wherever possible, just to note that that is by Nebezial

http://nebezial.deviantart.com/

[zylly]

Appreciate it. I probably had it in my favorites on DA, but I found that particular version of it via google.

[lieut_kettch]

A new origin for Donna Troy? Must be Tuesday then.

[mastermahan]

I want to see a fanfic about a support group for overly retconned superheroes. Donna helps keep everything on track, Hawkman keeps changing the subject to talk about his wife, everyone's a bit testy with Supergirl and Power Girl because each Kara thought the other was supposed to bring the donuts this week, and the Sentry was banned after a certain incident no one wants to discuss.

[icon_uk]

The extended Summers Lensherr family therapy group have their own meeting hall because it wasn't fair to hog ALL the rooms in the community centre every night.

[philippos42]

I think it's generally useless to dredge up the Finches' Donna Troy origin, but I want to talk about what really bugs me.

NIPPLE STARS?! REALLY!?

Oh, excuse me, they seem to sit just above the nipples. I DON'T CARE! They are so, so tacky.