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[personal profile] thornsilver 2018-09-06 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Are we... supposed to approve Superman's actions in this one?
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[personal profile] coldfury 2018-09-06 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, Superman comes off as terrible in this one. The aliens have a point, he's just as illegal as they are, they aren't hurting anything, and they're refugees. Then he blackmails them into sharing their advanced technology with the US...

oof.

[personal profile] owlbrigade1 2018-09-06 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
This is kinda racist, and by kinda I mean very. So you can only immigrate somewhere if either it wasn't your choice, or if you are 'one of the good ones' and must make sure your life is spent in service to the new country? Yeah, screw you Superman.
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[personal profile] zylly 2018-09-06 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember really liking this low-stakes, wanders the Earth story arc when it came out.

With reflection, Clark comes off really badly in this ish.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2018-09-06 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
IIRC this was when Superman was coming from a very, vey dark place (Was this just after the New Krypton thing?) and he'd publicly renounced his American citizenship (kinda) and decided after being challenged by a sort of straw-man argument about "Why aren't you curing cancer?" that he neded to walk the country to better understand the needs of the populace.

So I think the intent was he DOES start out like this, making bad, simplistic and judgemental decisions and as he started out, then as the story progressed he's realise his true nature again... but JMS unexpectedly left the title before the story could get anything like that far so it was sort of unresolved.

Probably mis-remembering a chunk of that, but I think that was the gist of it.
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[personal profile] strejdaking 2018-09-06 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I see absolutely nothing implying here that this isn't supposed to be a happy ending brought in by Superman's wisdom. And wouldn't those experienced have the precise opposite effect on him? Why would him thinking he may have become too american centric and out of touch with the common man make him LESS sympathetic towards refugees minding their own business?
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[personal profile] strejdaking 2018-09-06 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this... Yeah. And the implication of him not having "decided what to do about you". Like, was he gonna inform the government? The same one that allowed Sam Lane commit genocide on people of New Krypton like a week ago? What would that possibly achieve except for putting these guys in danger for, all things considered, an entirely victimless crime. A misdemeanor, assuming US immigration laws apply here.

Like, maybe if one of the aliens was actually dangerous, there could be a discussion, with Superman being sympathetic but having legitimate concerns and them arguing it's not fair to have them all pay because of this one asshole, that would be a discussion worth having. Because this... Is this even a problem? Like, I know JMS doesn't think immigrants have life saving technologies, but is the immigration problem that they don't contribute to the society? Because most of them have nothing to offer except doing jobs and they get tons of shit for that.

Reading this, you can kinda see why Grant would wanna bring back the "FUCK DA POLICE" take.
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[personal profile] tripodeca113 2018-09-06 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
J'onn J'onzz better watch out.
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[personal profile] bradygirl_12 2018-09-06 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, not happy with Clark here. Those aliens were doing no harm and had a legit reason to emigrate here. Forcing them to make their tech public in a way isn't right, but at least the whole situation looks promising.

Sometimes Superman gets a little too self-righteous.
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[personal profile] shakalooloo 2018-09-06 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
So Superman decides to walk across the US, the eyes of the world upon him, yet still manages to find time to duck out and do a little Clark Kent-ing on the side?
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[personal profile] strejdaking 2018-09-06 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I dunno where was it established, but they say that eventually reporters jsut stopped following him, which is stupid.

[personal profile] joetuss 2018-09-06 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Good Lord, Superman works for ICE.
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[personal profile] thanekos 2018-09-06 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Superman, exceptionalist.