[personal profile] dan_ingram 2021-11-24 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Ras is still alive, though. He's just been jumpstarted a few more times than usual ;)
cainofdreaming: b/w (Default)

[personal profile] cainofdreaming 2021-11-24 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, if just dying and then coming back to life would exempt you from the no killing rule then that'd apply to like half of his teammates in JLA.

Jason might also get a bit antsy about it.
janegray: (Default)

[personal profile] janegray 2021-11-24 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
I just don't see vampires as meaningfully "unalive."

They are actively sentient. For all intents and purposes, their being dead boils down to their not having a pulse. So what, do aliens that lack a circulatory system count as "okay to kill" too?

[personal profile] blues32 2021-11-24 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem lies in the corrupting aspect of vampirism. After all, there's a reason why blessed water and crosses hurt vampires. It's because they're NOT good.
janegray: (Default)

[personal profile] janegray 2021-11-24 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
True. And that's why I understand why Buffy spikes them on sight.

But batman thinks that if you don't risk your life to save the Joker, you are as bad as he is. So since when is being pure irredeemable evil an excuse?

I'll admit, I'm being extra salty about this because I'm a Jason and Wonder Woman fan, and Batman gave them a veritable truckload of shit over his no-kill rule even though they were both 100% justified (Joker is pure evil and basically exists to murder thousands of people for the lulz, Max had Superman under mind control and ready to commit genocide), so my knee-jerk reaction to this is "OH SO NOW killing is okay???"

[personal profile] palgrave_goldenrod 2021-11-26 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Surely the whole point of vampires is that they are unalive. They don't just 'lack' a circulatory system; they actually do possess one, it's just literally dead and non-functioning. It's the whole reason they need to drink blood to sustain themselves. It's a completely different kettle of fish from a living being which evolved without a blood circulatory system; a jellyfish is a living being that evolved in such a way and in such a setting that it doesn't need a circulatory system to live, a vampire is a dead being with a dead circulatory system that can for some quasi-magical reason still hold a conversation.

There may indeed be ethical dilemmas to killing vampires, but trying to argue that they're not actually dead (at least, in their classical forms -- which this depiction clearly is) seems a bit questionable one.
Edited 2021-11-26 13:12 (UTC)