scans_daily: the fabulous (and no so fabulous) women of Avengers Academy 22

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@ 2011-11-16 06:50 pm UTC

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char: tigra/greer grant, char: white queen/emma frost, title: avengers academy

the fabulous (and no so fabulous) women of Avengers Academy 22

Emma Being Fabulous

Hawkeye being an asshat, Emma and Tigra being Fabulous :D (can they be my hags? or is the proper term fruit fly? i admit to not using all my people's vernacular :D

Hazmat campaigning for asshat of the year against Finn Hudson.

can he write Emma Frost forever? :D

oooh side bar... can't you just imagine Doctor Doom in Tigra's outfit? that's right... i went there....

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	no subject nyadnar17 2011-11-17 03:24 am UTC (link)
	Is light speed actually gay or is that dude just a presumptuous ass? (Reply to this)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 03:29 am UTC (link)
	that's a girl. but yes, as far as i know, she has been portrayed/implied to be gay. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-11-17 03:30 am UTC (link)
	She is an ass, and Lightspeed is probably gay. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

Done that

blue_bolt
2011-11-17 03:31 am UTC (link)

Ever seen someone who was obviously attracted to someone of the same gender and just didn't want to admit it? I have, and I tried to help by pretty much confronting them with my observations. They then responded they were tired of hearing people tell them to "come out of the closet" and that they weren't ready to try experimenting. Chances are that Lightspeed's already heard everything Hazmat just said at least half a dozen times.

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	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-11-17 03:31 am UTC (link)
	However, nobody should be forced out of the closet against their will without a lot more reason than just, "you annoy me. Granted, the universe annoys me but right now you're in my sights. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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outlawpoet
2011-11-17 03:36 am UTC (link)

Haha, good bits. Missing a somewhat strange character moment for Finesse, where she moves aggressively against magneto in defence of her mentor Quicksilver, which is a new direction, but interesting.

I haven't decided if she's playing Quicksilver by asking him to teach her about his methods, or really moving her fixation. Maybe both?

Although the fact that Magneto could be touched at all by Finesse's billy club would be pretty disappointing to me if I were a budding supervillain who had idolized Mags as the ultimate bad guy.

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	no subject mullon 2011-11-17 03:48 am UTC (link)
	Accept it for her sake. (Reply to this)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-11-17 04:01 am UTC (link)
	I don't think Finesse is that sophisticated. Her schtick is that for all her prodigious ability read people, she hasn't a clue how to use that information for her own purposes. Her blackmailing of Quicksilver is about as fancy as she's ever got, and it's monumentally crude and blunt. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2011-11-17 04:04 am UTC (link)
	The funniest part had to be Hawkeye insisting that bad guys never should be let on the good guy teams and always betrayed them. Looked in the mirror lately Clint? (Reply to this)

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long_silence
2011-11-17 04:33 am UTC (link)

That is the dumbest argument for someone being LGBT that I've ever heard.

"Go team girls" isn't any different from saying "Girl power" or such. And the fact that Julie's power gives off a rainbow effect doesn't make her in anyway homosexual. Her brother and sister have both used the same Acceleration power, do that mean her whole family is gay?

Also "I'm not phobic" she could have fooled me. Calling her "Double Rainbow Barbie" last issue, naturally assuming that Julie's a lesbian because she's single, "You can't decide what team to play for", telling her to come out. It makes me hope that Julie isn't actually LGBT just to show that you can't just assume like that.

God that's a terrible scene.

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	no subject suzene 2011-11-17 05:03 am UTC (link)
	Co-signed. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 05:03 am UTC (link)
	well, Hazmat is not the most... tactful character, but yeah her logic is flawed... known her all of... 24 hours? that said, lightspeed is pretty much a closet lesbian, its been implied since the Loners/Excelsior comics (and i for one hope she comes out) but not because Hazmat pulls a Finn Hudson (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 05:04 am UTC (link)
	funny considering her name is Finesse and she sorely lacks it. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 05:05 am UTC (link)
	motto to both of you, i think she should come out, but to be forced out of the closet by some one is despicable. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	Re: Done that shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 05:07 am UTC (link)
	are you serious? i mean i can see you saying "Okay dude, its obvious you like the same...." it just... skirts the edge a bit. people's privacy needs to be respected (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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long_silence
2011-11-17 05:23 am UTC (link)

Hazmat is a spiteful, ignorant, judgmental, miserable brat of a character.

Lightspeed may very well be closeted, but I see no reason for anyone to assume so based on anything she's said or done in the 5 panels of dialogue she's had in this book.

I hope Gage has plans for Lightspeed's character development other than this, from all of the interviews I've read every time he mentions her all he talks about is exploring LGBT issues.

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 05:27 am UTC (link)
	whats wrong with that? its not like there are creators breaking down doors to use LGBT characters. what characters that ARE around are hanging out in limbo or in the background of splash pages. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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long_silence
2011-11-17 06:12 am UTC (link)

And it's great that he's using her at all, but I'm just not crazy about the fact that she seems to just be the token lesbian who doesn't seem to have any storylines of her own that aren't about her being a lesbian.

There's so much more you could do with Julie, she has so much history. She was the smartest of the Power kids so she could bond with Pym or Finesse, she was the first of the Power Pack to kill in battle so she could talk about that with Mettle and Striker, she tried to quit being a hero very recently.

I'm also not crazy about the fact that she's being lectured to come out by the worst bully in the school who's known her for a total 5 minutes.

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shadowpsykie
2011-11-17 06:22 am UTC (link)

Okay, this is only the second issue. and as a gay latino man i take issue when people call the "tokenism card" almost on reflex (not saying this is the case here, its just i am wary any time the word is used).

so far in the first issue she has been introduced as smart, she is an assistant instructor. They also stated that she has a history of superhero-ing but has had little in the form of formal training.

gage has done REALLY well with these kids. His fear itself tie ins were the best of the series. even Hazmat who is a grade A... well... she's grade A has had great character moments.

i have complete faith that he will not reduce her to the role of token lesbian.

I don't like how Hazmat is acting but it is completely in character with who she is, and also has been show to stem from the fact that the only one she can have safe contract with outside of her suit is Mettle, so her... beside manner is going to be lacking. I don't like it. and it is completely uncalled for. But it is not incredibly out of character for her

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crabby_lioness
2011-11-17 06:31 am UTC (link)

Gage loves his irony, doesn't he?

I presume she'll grow out of it. She seems to me to be the most child-like emotionally of all the AA. The whole "Hey, if you want a girl to kiss you I'll do it, but be quick I've got other things to do" scene with Reptil in the early issues just screamed "eight-year old!" to me.

In many ways she's more like what Valeria should be written like.

I'd say she also lacks a role model/father figure, and is looking to fill that slot.

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	no subject long_silence 2011-11-17 06:31 am UTC (link)
	I'm only concerned about tokenism because like I mentioned before in many of his interviews Gage only focuses on LGBT issues when he talks about Julie, and in her second major scene since she's joined the book she's being told to come out. In character or not, it's a terrible scene. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject stubbleupdate 2011-11-17 06:34 am UTC (link)
	Isn't Emma's comment on Tigra's costume a negative compliment? (Reply to this)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 06:36 am UTC (link)
	I don't see it as that at all. I think she was being snarky, but she was sincere. Its what people have said to her. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2011-11-17 06:38 am UTC (link)
	I think he respects the characters enough not to make her a token (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject flint_marko 2011-11-17 07:58 am UTC (link)
	I don't know if the Finn Hudson comparison works, since Lightspeed isn't a spiteful bully. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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