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recognitions ([personal profile] recognitions) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2010-12-02 07:32 pm

Buffy Season 8 #39 comin at ya

Hoo boy.



Hokay. So Buffy and Angel had crazy space sex which created a new universe, one that threatens to wipe out the old one. (Don't ask.) Demons are invading the earth in vast multitudes. Meanwhile, the universe they created has possessed Angel and is attempting to get revenge on Buffy for abandoning it. Buffy and the gang have gone to Sunnydale to protect the Seed, a mystical doohickey which can allegedly save the universe. Got all that? Programs will be handed out in the lobby.

We'll start out with something light (trust me, you'll thank me later); a little Angel/Spike shippery. Buffy saves Spike from possessed Angel, and mentions that "I liked you both better when you were kissing." Guess Buffy must have watched the Angel DVD commentaries.

Meanwhile, Willow's getting her megawicca on:



Enjoy that power shot of Willow, folks. It may be--well, you'll see.

The battle rages, with Slayers and the army fighting interdemensional demons as Buffy fights Angel. Oh yeah and the Master's there, but he doesn't do anything except get killed again.

Giles meets Faith on the battlefield:



Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I like to think there's some nice, subtle character work going on here. There've been hints of, at least, strong feelings between Faith and Giles for several issues now. My feeling is that Faith wants Giles but that Giles is too much of a gentleman and feels it would be wrong, and Faith isn't about to make the first move. Either way, her reaction in the third panel is telling. I like that we can't even see her face, but her posture and that studied "Right," say a lot. Once again, Buffy wins, and Faith comes in second. It's a measure of how much she's grown that she goes right back to work.

Xander and Giles meet outside the crypt where Buffy and Angel are fighting. They have a quick conversation. Giles is about to jump into the battle between Buffy and Angel, Xander is all, "What are you, nuts?" Giles makes the point that Buffy won't kill Angel unless she's forced to.

Get ready for it, folks.



Et vale, Rupert Giles. I knew he was done as soon as I saw him on the cover; they haven't figured out shit to do with him all series. It's an oddly unaffecting death for such a great character, but honestly he hasn't felt like the real Giles since Chosen. At least he went out a hero. Also note how perfectly Giles' death mirrors Jenny's, all those years ago.

As Giles predicted, his death causes Buffy to go nuts, and she smashes the seed they were allegedly there to protect.

The ripple effects of the seed breaking are shown. All magic instantly disappears from the Buffyverse (which takes out Warren again, for those keeping score), the demons are sucked back out of our dimension, and the world is saved. Or Is It?



I'm not sure what Willow means here; presumably, she's referring to the loss of magic, but it's unclear if there are other effects the destruction of the seed may have. Some folks may remember Willow being warned that destroying the seed would rob her of her magic, and very deliberately not telling Buffy about it. We all remember how much Willow doesn't enjoy being ordinary. Also, do my eyes spot a Crisis reference?

Gotta say, I'm sad about Willow losing her powers. Buffy always felt cooler when there were two awesomely powerful kickass girl protagonists instead of just one.

The last page shows Buffy lying on the ground, apparently stricken with grief as opposed to hurting or in pain. And Angel has another murder on his conscience, and one more wedge driven between him and Buffy.
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[personal profile] shadowpsykie 2010-12-03 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
he would never do that. he is already stated he is so not okay with it
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[personal profile] drakyndra 2010-12-03 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
It looks like the set-up for Fray. Sort of. But there's supposed to be more comics coming, so who knows what's coming up.

And it's not Joss Whedon unless there's at least one death near the end just for Teh Angst.
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[personal profile] big_daddy_d 2010-12-03 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
..I'd go for 50/50 by this point..although I was more a Angel/Cordelia shipper. I also liked Faith more than Buffy..in fact..my love for Buffy herself kinda declined as the years went on.. I think it was the Spike thing..that never sat right with me.

Seriously though...this heel turn of Angel's as well as him crossing the line into killing one of Buffy's most trust allies..yeeeaaa...no.
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[personal profile] auggie18 2010-12-03 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
Haven't been following the comics for a while, ever since the whole "bring back Oz to help us have less magic" crap and this proves that it probably was a good idea.


Meh death for Giles! No more magic for Willow! (Didn't happen before in this series?) Buffy and Angel get MORE complicated!

To quote Willow: "Bored now."


The only way I will EVER acknowledge the comics as countinuity is if Willow gets her powers and Tara back. Seriously. Tara's happy resurection is all I ask.

Sigh.

[personal profile] redkingcrab 2010-12-03 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
So, um

when was the last time that Buffy actually slayed any, y'know, vampires?

I mean, the series worked because it was an amusing low-key juxtaposition between the ordinary and the supernatural. Now she's giving birth to universes and leading armies and fighting alien invasions and having magic sex? I would expect better from fanfic.

Did Joss himself write this? Because if so, it's depressing just how completely he's lost his mojo.
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[personal profile] angelophile 2010-12-03 11:05 am (UTC)(link)
And with THIS being Buffy with Whedon's involvement, I am perfectly okay with him not being okay with it.

[personal profile] whitesycamore 2010-12-03 11:09 am (UTC)(link)
Faith far and away my favourite character on that show, so it seems odd that someone who likes Faith would start disliking Buffy just because she's fuckbuddies with Spike - because that's totally the kind of thing Faith would do.

[personal profile] whitesycamore 2010-12-03 11:13 am (UTC)(link)
This, exactly. Suddenly I realise that the limited production budget on Buffy was a good thing.

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2010-12-03 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
actually his most recent comments were pretty mocking about the situation.

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2010-12-03 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah. I kind of feel the same way. I'm pretty sure the show's characters can't appear in the movie, though I've encountered some people saying they can, but if they can't maybe they'll make some expies of them.
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[personal profile] deepspaceartist 2010-12-03 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
But Angel didn't kill Giles. He's being possessed by the angry baby universe. He's no more at fault than Cordelia was for her season 4 actions. And this also isn't the first time he's pretended to be evil and killed good guys in order to achieve a bigger good. It's pretty much exactly what he did at the end of his own show too.
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[personal profile] deepspaceartist 2010-12-03 01:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The universe he and Buffy created is possesing him. And since it views the two as his parents, it's pissed off at them.
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[personal profile] janegray 2010-12-03 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I started being ok with a Whedon-less Buffy (and Whedon-less anything, really, I've been actively avoid anything of his) many years ago, once I realized that he truly, honestly, sincerely believes that the Diabolus Ex Machina is an excellent storytelling device.

Fuck that. A ludicrously depressing story where the Universe constantly fucks the characters over and nobody ever gets a break isn't any more realistic or entertaining than a 100% happy and conflict-free story. They are both extremes, and both suck.
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[personal profile] shakatany 2010-12-03 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Aren't vampires themselves magical demons? Would they continue to exist in a magicless world?

Shakatany
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[personal profile] liliaeth 2010-12-03 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
oh don't worry, before being possessed by Twilight, Angel had already been attacking Buffy for quite some time, killing hundreds of her slayers, and was in a huge way responsible for Slayers all over the world being hated....

They did plenty to villify the guy, only to then villify Buffy even worse, by having her fall into her arms, despite knowing what he'd done of his own free will, and then having sex with him.

In short, they've pretty much destroyed the characters of both Buffy and Angel
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[personal profile] liliaeth 2010-12-03 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Really? The Spike thing is what kept me liking Buffy. It was the comic that made me start hating her.

But then I never did like Faith, ED's just never done a thing for me as an actress.
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[personal profile] liliaeth 2010-12-03 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Well Spike's soul didn't come from a spell so that shouldn't be affected. Angel's curse, maybe...

[personal profile] whitesycamore 2010-12-03 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Spike's soul also came from a curse/spell, didn't it? Just not a curse with the same stipulations as Angel's.

Unless Spike has mislaid his soul sometime since then, and then regained it back again through non-magical means. Which is entirely plausible, considering the crazy tangled plotting of the Buffy and Angel comics...
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[personal profile] liliaeth 2010-12-03 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Well Spike got his soul back, after going through trials so he could regain his soul. Not sure if that falls under 'a spell' though. It didn't look like the demon he got his soul back from did so through magical means though.

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2010-12-03 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I think he was being manipulated before that, because his plan basically amounted to him figuring if he controlled the bad guys in one group fewer slayers would die than if they were being attacked by smaller more random(but also easier to eliminate!) groups.

Basically I figure anytime Angel was demonstrating excessive powers he was at least slightly influenced by the baby universe.

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2010-12-03 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
nicely put.
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[personal profile] bruinsfan 2010-12-03 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
How exactly would a demon restore a dead soul to someone's vampirically reanimated corpse without magic?
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[personal profile] liliaeth 2010-12-03 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
well how do vampires exist, if not because of magic....
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[personal profile] deepspaceartist 2010-12-03 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Did they ever say it wan't a spell? They refer to the demon he went to as a demon shaman, so I always just figured the demon had used a permanent spell to put it in place.
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[personal profile] khamelea 2010-12-03 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, the fact that every sample (perhaps not representative) of the comic that I've seen portrays some kind of rural/fantasy-ish setting gives me a bit of a disconnect with the television series which I associate strongly with the urban setting of Sunnydale.

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