ILLUMINATI: Personal responsibility

[starwolf_oakley]

Oracle once wondered if the Bat-family was culpable for the Joker's crimes since they never did anything permanent to stop him. Here's a few pages from the NEW AVENGERS: ILLUMINATI special where a similar discussion about culpability is discussed.





First, a page where the Black Panther shows how smart he is.



T'Challa's smart, but... The problem with the general public of the Marvel Universe is that they are idiots. Some of the smarter idiots are worried superheroes might subjugate those they protect. This isn't Tony's intention here. He just wants to subjugate other superheroes. Which he eventually does. Idiot.

The full two-page spread of Hill and Stark's conversation.



Spider-Man has a simple reason for not killing Osborn: Neither Aunt May nor Uncle Ben would like it. And Spider-Man is now the *only* Marvel Superhero who thinks killing people is wrong.

Comments

[hatman]

Whether the death penalty is allowed or not is a matter for the state legislature. What I meant is that if you think the Joker needs to die, you should argue for him specifically to get the death penalty the next time he's brought to trial.

As for vigilante executions - we all saw what happened when Wonder Woman tried that. The crowd reacted differently when Magog did it, but that didn't end well, either.

[mcity.livejournal.com]

Something's bugged me for a while now; is Wonder Woman an official ambassador, or a symbolic one? If it's the former, why doesn't she have diplomatic immunity? Does Theymiscra have an embassy?

[grazzt]

She was an official ambassador. However, when a diplomat is accused of a major crime, like murder, the home country usually either waives the diplomatic immunity they granted their diplomat or charges them with the same crime on home soil, rather than risk an international incident. Examples of the former include Gueorgui Makharadze, and examples of the latter include Andrei Knyazev.

I think that's what happened to Wonder Woman.

Also, Themyscira did have an embassy, although it was closed down along with the island itself. You should read Rucka's run on Wonder Woman; there was a decent amount of focus on the people in the embassy, including a minotaur chef.

[bluefall]

She is an ambassador, she does have immunity, and she voluntarily waived it of her own accord (which the amazons had no real choice but to go along with), because she knew that letting humanity try her was the only way to prove to humanity that they could still trust her.

[starwolf_oakley]

Plus she had to defend herself without revealing Maxwell Lord had Superman under his control. That would have been bad.