I don't even have the words.

[bluefall]

You know what? Fuck everything. Everything.










I'm sorry. I don't even have a rant for this. I don't even...

Jesus fucking Christ.

Comments

[icon_uk]

Asking someone who's angry to calm down is a fairly standard human reaction, whether it's likely to work or not.

[bluefall]

It's a fairly patronizing and offensive human reaction, yeah.

[icon_uk]

(edited for ambiguous phrasing)

My sincere apologies, that was not my intent.

[bluefall]

Eh, no worries, you're not the one who said it.

Mod Note

[angelophile]

As stated below, one of the clear points in our community ethos: Calling out other members or creators for discriminatory or oppressive behavior is encouraged for the good of the community.

Please do not tell other members to calm down or police their tone.

Re: Mod Note

[pyrotwilight]

So...shouldn't bluefall be the one talked to for posting an angry post about the issue? Isn't blue's post being oppressive by being angry about the story? It's not even a comment that blue should calm down as blue's opinion doesn't matter, it's that the story clearly doesn't matter as it's going to be retconned soon.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

Isn't blue's post being oppressive by being angry about the story?

I don't think you know what oppressive means.

Are you seriously trying to argue that bluefall is oppressing someone by posting 'fuck everything' on a comics community? Who? Is she oppressing... DC? You? Me? Superman?

Re: Mod Note

[pyrotwilight]

Maybe not so much oppressive as seriously trying to sway people into being angry about it. It's essentially a post saying I'm pissed and YOU should be pissed. If blue put an actual reason it wouldn't be a thing but as it is yeah, it's pretty extreme.

But saying someone else can't say a person should calm down is probably more oppressive than anything, it's well, anybody's first reaction.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

Let's go through this.

Calling out other members or creators for discriminatory or oppressive behavior is encouraged for the good of the community.

Diana's treatment as a character has been very poor, and this is bad. It's also sexist. Sexism is oppressive.

By making a post about this sexism, bluefall is calling out discrimatory or oppressive behaviour.

Posts like bluefall's are encouraged under community rules.

Got that?

But saying someone else can't say a person should calm down is probably more oppressive than anything, it's well, anybody's first reaction.

1) I don't think you know what oppressive means.
2) It wasn't my first reaction, stop generalizing from yourself.
3) If you want a comics blog where telling women to calm down and stop getting upset about sexism is accepted (encouraged, even!) there's... well, most of them. You can't have this one. That's not oppression.

Re: Mod Note

[nezchan]

To be fair, Blue didn't make a post about sexism. Blue posted a few comic scans and said they were mad, and that's it. The discussion of sexism was started by other people.

The rest seems pretty much spot on, though.

Re: Mod Note

[bluefall]

Well, that depends greatly on your point of view. /obi-wan

I mean, it's a post in which I show some scans and say I'm pissed off, full stop, yes. So in that sense no, it's not a complaint about sexism. And anything dismissive immediately out of the gate can only be called rude and patronizing rather than genuinely tone-argument oppressive (I can't even claim dismissal of women's voices with a straight face, because a lot of people here have no reason to know I'm a woman).

On the other hand, I posted into a particular community with a particular history and perspective: it's reasonable to expect that many people here at S_D will immediately recognize this kind of blatant sexism, and I posted it with the understanding that much of the comm would easily intuit my complaint just from the context (both of this comm's treatment of this kind of story, and of my own posting history).

So when a person perceives the discussion of sexism to have started (and how they therefore interpret the comm rules about that kind of discussion) will depend on whether they're working from the same context as I am.

Re: Mod Note

[cuntfucius]

Just wondering, do you know what tone policing is, how common it is used against someone finds something problematic and oppressive in the way it was presented, and how it frames any narrative of dissent into being over emotional and lacking in a calm, logical assessment?

Re: Mod Note

[pyrotwilight]

Well yes, that happens everywhere. It's one thing to be angry about something and blurt it out, but if they don't put it in a good way (IE fully explain) it'll just be torn to shreds and have the person painted in a bad light.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

But saying someone else can't say a person should calm down is probably more oppressive than anything, it's well, anybody's first reaction.

In addition: more oppressive than anything

I don't think you know what a sense of proportion is, either. Not being allowed to tell a woman to calm down when she swears at sexist comics is not 'more oppressive than anything'.

I can't imagine how you thought that was a reasonable thing to say. Sexism, racism, homophobia! Ethnic cleansing, starvation, silencing of the press! Trade sanctions, IMF, rigged elections! Step aside! There's a new oppression on the block, and it is...

Not being allowed to dismiss the concerns of women.

In a comics community.

On the internet.

I bet Martin Luther King, Emmeline Pankhurst and Harvey Milk feel pretty silly now, wasting their lives like that when they could have been fighting for the right to tell women to calm down. Why, with their combined efforts, we might dare to dream of telling women not to worry their pretty little heads about sexism, it's no big deal!

Re: Mod Note

[gibberitch]

What the fuck is this shit?

Re: Mod Note

[bluefall]

I'm totally oppressing unicorns. Those mouthy fuckers. I don't regret a minute of it.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

): please check your existence privilege!

Re: Mod Note

[cuntfucius]

LMFAO

Re: Mod Note

[wasabi.livejournal.com]

I sincerely beg of you not to confuse oppression with anger.

Oppression is "the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner."

Anger is "a strong feeling of displeasure and belligerence aroused by a wrong."

They are two very different concepts. Some of us know this from direct experience.

Re: Mod Note

[proteus_lives]

"Calm down" is oppressive?

Re: Mod Note

[auggie18]

Yeah, I don't really get that either. I sure as hell avoid saying it here, though.

Re: Mod Note

[fifthie]

You really have a hard time figuring this one out? Really?

Re: Mod Note

[fifthie]

I mean when you're angry and people you barely know tell you to calm down, you typically take that as what, earnest, good-natured advice? This is something that isn't pretty much universally recognizable as a dick move? Really?

Re: Mod Note

[proteus_lives]

"I mean when you're angry and people you barely know tell you to calm down, you typically take that as what, earnest, good-natured advice?"

I can see not taking it the right way but oppressive?

Really?

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

"Not taking it the right way," you do see how that shifts blame to bluefall? It's not that someone said the wrong thing, it's that bluefall took it wrongly?

Telling someone to calm down is a pretty neutral act. Telling a woman to calm down when she's got a beef with a sexist depiction is part of a greater societal narrative of telling women they're over-reacting and hysterical over nothing, because their concerns are not important in the grand scheme of things. When a dude mad, he mad. When a girl mad, she needs to calm the fuck down and stop being so emotional, it's not like it matters. Have you never noticed this?