I don't even have the words.

[bluefall]

You know what? Fuck everything. Everything.










I'm sorry. I don't even have a rant for this. I don't even...

Jesus fucking Christ.

Comments

Re: Mod Note

[proteus_lives]

I'm failing to see how "calm down, it won't count in a few months." is oppression.

It's a comment, bluefall hasn't have to listen, talk about or even acknowledge the comment. I've been angry and told to come down. I've taken it the wrong way but I don't think it was oppressive. (Though I imagine you'll be telling me this doesn't count.)

"When a dude mad, he mad."

Oh, so men never hear this phrase. My experience says otherwise.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

I'm failing to see how "calm down, it won't count in a few months." is oppression.

Oh. Well, why don't you go read the comment you just replied to? I explained it there.

I've taken it the wrong way but I don't think it was oppressive. (Though I imagine you'll be telling me this doesn't count.)

You tell me; when I say that a comment directed at a woman is oppressive due to part of a larger narrative of discounting and dismissing the concerns of women by characterising them as hysterical and overemotional, does it follow that that comment said to you is oppressive?

Oh, so men never hear this phrase.

Not only did I not say that, my first two sentences contain the strong implication that men are told to calm down but societal narrative, dismissive of women's concerns, hysteria, really can't you read the comment you replied to? We covered this already.

Re: Mod Note

[proteus_lives]

"Oh. Well, why don't you go read the comment you just replied to? I explained it there."

You explained somthing (poorly) that was not seen in the original comment.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

Well, I explained how telling a woman to calm down is part of a larger context of oppression. Because you asked how telling someone to calm down was oppression. And the original comment was telling a woman to calm down.

Are you arguing the original comment did not tell bluefall to calm down? That's certainly a brave stance, but as you're claiming I explained something that wasn't seen in the original comment, and I explained about telling women to calm down, I'm interested in hearing what you saw in the comment where I saw the words "calm down".

Re: Mod Note

[proteus_lives]

To the mods, I'm no longer arguing, I'm answering a question.

Context is the key word.

I don't agree that the words "calm down" are automatically "oppressive".

And I'm not going to continue because of the mods and the bandwagon.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

That's a shame, I'd be interested in further exploring how the context of the comment wasn't in the comment. With phrases like "that's not how context works".

If you are actually interested in learning how seemingly innocuous phrases can evoke a raft of associated meaning, you might want to look up 'dog-whistle politics'. (Although that is a deliberate invoking, which this was not.)

Re: Mod Note

[greenmask]

Thanks for your helpful comments in this thread.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

I'm... actually not sure if this is sarcasm?

Re: Mod Note

[greenmask]

:O

It's not!

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

LOL oh okay I haven't had much sleep and was just peering at it all 'not sure if serious'.

:)

Re: Mod Note

[greenmask]

Hah! Naw, I Come In Peace. :]

Re: Mod Note

[proteus_lives]

Sadly, tis not the place. Apparently.

I'd love to explain context and associated meanings and how if you're determined to find something, you usually will but alas.

Re: Mod Note

[valtyr]

And of course the corollary; if you're determined not to find something, you rarely do.

Re: Mod Note

[greenmask]

The mods have expressed that "calm down" isn't an appropriate reaction here. If you don't understand why that is, I would advise attempting to investigate the matter yourself rather than arguing with members about how offensive you think it isn't.

Re: Mod Note

[proteus_lives]

Duly noted.

Re: Mod Note

[greenmask]

Thank you.