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The Trinity of Sin Revealed
Okay so, in the DC New 52 FCBD (Free Comic Book day for the uninitiated) Issue, it was revealed who the Trinity of Sin are.
One was Pandora, the other, as assumed, was the Phantom Stranger, and the third, probably comes to a surprise, ends up to be a person who appears to be The Question aka Vic/Charlie Sage.
(Sorry for the Quality, but i took it with my camera phone….)

What I found interesting was the reveal of the Phantom Stranger’s Identity.
As far as I remember, there have only ever been hints as to who he used to be. But in the FCBD issue, it seems like it is pretty much revealed who he was.

Hmmm Forgive me as HE would… interesting…

You’re greed has darkened the World forever… those are Silver Pieces that the Wizard (i am assuming) is playing with.


The Silver Pieces are what form his necklace, thing.
I think if it is not clear, it is pretty heavily implied that the Phantom Stranger is Judas Iscariot, the man who in Judeo-Christian teachings betrayed Jesus for Thirty Pieces of Silver. The fact that they say his greed “Darkened the world” and the items used to bind him are pieces of silver. As well as the “Forgive me as HE would Line” (since Jesus Preached Forgiveness). Judas was actually one of the implied identities for the Phantom Stranger, and i think this has been one of the biggest “hints” we have ever been given as to his identity. Interesting :D
Now the other Reveal, the Third member of the Trinity of Sin is revealed as I said above, to be the Question.

The Anti-Establishment, the No Face, and the Question Mark Puff of Smoke seem to indicate that this is the newest incarnation of the Question. Im interested to see how this plays out… It’s a different take, and it can be interesting….
The Third member of the Trinity is Pandora, and she is revealed to be…


Yeah as most people suspected, she is THE Pandora. As in Pandora’s Box.
What i find interesting is that the mythical Pandora is a Pre-Judeo-Christian Character, Judas Iscariot is a Judeo-Christian Figure. So, since these two sinners have been pulled from percievably different ages, its possible that the Question pulled her was pulled from a more modern era. Meaning that the Likely hood that he is still Victor Sage seems all the more likely. The Rock of Eternity stands outside of time and space so it is conceivable that these Gods, Ancients, or Wizards have been able to pull the three “greatest” sinners from all of time to the Rock from their respective time Periods. So there You have it. Pandora, Judas Iscariot, and Victor Sage, are the Trinity of Sin. Im actually very interested to see where they will go with this… Color me intrigued DC.
One was Pandora, the other, as assumed, was the Phantom Stranger, and the third, probably comes to a surprise, ends up to be a person who appears to be The Question aka Vic/Charlie Sage.
(Sorry for the Quality, but i took it with my camera phone….)

What I found interesting was the reveal of the Phantom Stranger’s Identity.
As far as I remember, there have only ever been hints as to who he used to be. But in the FCBD issue, it seems like it is pretty much revealed who he was.

Hmmm Forgive me as HE would… interesting…

You’re greed has darkened the World forever… those are Silver Pieces that the Wizard (i am assuming) is playing with.


The Silver Pieces are what form his necklace, thing.
I think if it is not clear, it is pretty heavily implied that the Phantom Stranger is Judas Iscariot, the man who in Judeo-Christian teachings betrayed Jesus for Thirty Pieces of Silver. The fact that they say his greed “Darkened the world” and the items used to bind him are pieces of silver. As well as the “Forgive me as HE would Line” (since Jesus Preached Forgiveness). Judas was actually one of the implied identities for the Phantom Stranger, and i think this has been one of the biggest “hints” we have ever been given as to his identity. Interesting :D
Now the other Reveal, the Third member of the Trinity of Sin is revealed as I said above, to be the Question.

The Anti-Establishment, the No Face, and the Question Mark Puff of Smoke seem to indicate that this is the newest incarnation of the Question. Im interested to see how this plays out… It’s a different take, and it can be interesting….
The Third member of the Trinity is Pandora, and she is revealed to be…


Yeah as most people suspected, she is THE Pandora. As in Pandora’s Box.
What i find interesting is that the mythical Pandora is a Pre-Judeo-Christian Character, Judas Iscariot is a Judeo-Christian Figure. So, since these two sinners have been pulled from percievably different ages, its possible that the Question pulled her was pulled from a more modern era. Meaning that the Likely hood that he is still Victor Sage seems all the more likely. The Rock of Eternity stands outside of time and space so it is conceivable that these Gods, Ancients, or Wizards have been able to pull the three “greatest” sinners from all of time to the Rock from their respective time Periods. So there You have it. Pandora, Judas Iscariot, and Victor Sage, are the Trinity of Sin. Im actually very interested to see where they will go with this… Color me intrigued DC.
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This...this ain't him. Like much of the DCnU, I'm seeing things that either irritate me, offend me, or make me not give a single damn. This one has a touch of the first, and a heaping buttload of the third.
*sigh*
Back to watching JLU...
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This...this ain't him. Like much of the DCnU, I'm seeing things that either irritate me, offend me, or make me not give a single damn. This one has a touch of the first, and a heaping buttload of the third.-
That's one of the things- when someone is attached to a character, they're attached to that character, not the name or what have you.
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They have taken Renee away. They have re-replaced her with Charlie, but he's not even Charlie since his circumstances are now completely different. This is now complete proof that DC is just full of regressive, immature fanboys who care more about the Silver Age than good stories, and who claim they care about diversity but are perfectly happy to shelve their minority characters when there is a "better" white, male version available.
I have such a strong personal connection to Renee. She is my favorite character of all time, and she is one of those characters in fiction that have seriously inspired me in the my real life. To just get rid of her? I can't in good conciounce support anything DC ever again. It's too bad, but I have now sworn off all DC.
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Point is, Rucka kind of continued O'Neill's work, so you have something to work upon. And even somethings from Ditko are kept in O'Neill's work (although kingrockwell wouldn't surely agree with me. I have a theory that O'Neill's Vic is the same as Ditko's, only some 3 or 4 years afterwards).
Still, as much as I love Vic, I don't want his return to mean the end of Renée. There could be 2 Questions, why not?
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(Eh, so was Thor.)
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"Rise to power" and "Fear my name" suggests a conqueror or dictator of some sort. And a proud one, at that.
Red hair suggest European, possibly Celtic or Germanic.
Actually, a candidate comes to mind. A stupid one, but one that fits the pattern. Could he be Loki?
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As far as the Question thing goes....I only really know Vic Sage from the cartoon and from some stuff that has been posted here, so I don't have THAT much emotional investment in him, but this seems like something that may be a cool throwaway concept but I'm not sure if it's something that should be linked to this specific character?
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The Phantom Stranger doesn't have an origin, and doesn't need one! (That is, in fact, why he had four of them back in the day--because no one really cared, but it was fun to think about. Also, for the record, he was never implied to be Judas--he was implied to be the Wandering Jew, a guy who randomly volunteered to whip Jesus on his way to the cross out of frustration for losing his own family.) His past never figures into his character. He's a guy who's much more focused on the present and the future, and I really liked that about him. It was pretty unique.
Of all the things the DCnU's done, this is the thing that really annoys me most. (Well, that and zapping Oracle. I'm still pissed about that, too.)
The Phantom Stranger may well be my favorite character, not just in comics, but possibly in fiction as a whole, because he's a very unique dude. Sure, his role as "mentor" seems cliche, but his character's a unique one among the stereotypical mentor characters, and among "occult detective"-type characters as well. That's the way he works best, and that's why I like him. He's mysterious and cryptic and vanishes often, but he's friendly and helpful in his own way, and seems to have an eye always on the future, and on helping his "friends" in the DCU achieve their full potential, rather than doing it for them. He doesn't do it because he gets something out of it. He just does it to do it. He just wants things to be better, that's all, and I really like that.
I don't like the idea of him having a concrete past, or of that past implying his mission/actions for the future (presumably atonement). Why take one of the most unique characters in at least the DCU and make him... cliche? I know, I know, characters who are good just for the sake of being good are "boring," but I always thought the Stranger really pulled that off better than anyone else, and you could tell a lot of intriguing stories with the Phantom Stranger being just the way he is.
Bleargh. Now I'm glad I didn't go to the comic shop for my birthday.
...I think I'm the only one who really cares about all this, hahahaha XD I'm a bit too invested in old P.S., I think.
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1) Remember the s_d motto; "It's NEVER just you", and
2) We all have our favourite characters we get deeply invested in (in our eyes) or unreasonably obsessed with (in others eyes) and are sensitive to the handling of.
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Also, am I the only one peeved by the 'You are an evil girl' line?
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Especially since, isn't the Wizard affiliated with the Graeco-Roman gods?
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Actually...
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I like the Question as the borderline mad (decide for yourself which side of the border) conspiracy theorist he was in JLU, but on the other hand, I'm not crazy about his origins as a Randian Superman, so mark me down as interested to see how this depiction turns out.
Tying him to a mystical origin might go some ways towards explaining why he was running around as an urban shaman in Superman recently. Wasn't that post-reboot?
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No, he did that in Christian teachings. He doesn't figure into Jewish teachings at all.
I know there are Christians who would like to claim that Jewish teachings are just the preamble to Christian teachings and that everything in their bible is foreshadowed in ours, but Judaism is a separate religion so when something isn't a part of both religions, it's offensive to tag it as though it is.
That said, add me to the group who think that giving the Phantom Stranger a concrete origin is a really bad idea.
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Also, subtlety of any kind seems to have died in the relaunch. Making The Question into a historical/magical figure? Making the Phantom Stranger Judas? It's astonishing how uninteresting that makes them.
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Because...
Nobody does it better.
Makes me feel sad for the rest.
Nobody does it half as good as you.
Baby, you're the best.
*ahem* Sorry.
It used to be said (by me if no one else) that DC had the more poetic stories and Marvel had the more realistic stories. And that was fine, because when DC was firing on all cylinders their stories sang with poetry. But now they're trying to out-realism Marvel and it's not working. They may be really grim and gritty, but they don't sing anymore.