Star Trek #30

[superfangirl1]

I do love stories that show alternate and parallel universes. :)

Comments

[q99]

Yeeeees :)

[icon_uk]

This looks like fun (Slightly disappointed it based on the Abrams-ST-verse, though, I just didn't warm to that take too much)

I like Ms Scott taking Mr Scott to task for stereotyping, but it does beg the question, in a genderflipped universe would the stereotypes be flipped too?

It's also a little unfortunate that in the third scan, first panel, it looks like male Kirk wants to move in to kiss female Kirk. I know that man has an ego, but that's going a LITTLE far IMHO.

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

"It's also a little unfortunate that in the third scan, first panel, it looks like male Kirk wants to move in to kiss female Kirk. I know that man has an ego, but that's going a LITTLE far IMHO."

That was addressed in one of the later Trek movies when the shapeshifting alien who he kissed when it was a woman becomes a copy of himself. Something like "I can't believe I kissed myself." "It's what you've always wanted."

[nate_abril96]

To be fair, if I had a sexy female counterpart I would also probably want to kiss them. Wait, then would that be incest? Parallel universe are weird.

[mastermahan]

It's Kirk. The man is in love with himself and is sexually curious about anything with a vagina. Damn right he's going to try and "compare notes".

Ms. Spock should just be glad her captain is there, because you know she's Jim's second choice.

[kamino_neko]

I like Ms Scott taking Mr Scott to task for stereotyping, but it does beg the question, in a genderflipped universe would the stereotypes be flipped too?

This doesn't actually seem to be a fully genderflipped universe. Kirk has found herself coming up against sexist attitudes (like with Turnabout Intruder, this strikes a strange chord for happening in the 24th century, but, whatever). Looks like the genders of the major named characters got flipped in the last two generations, but the indicators are that it's otherwise similar to the main universe.

[ozaline]

I thought there was a flirting subtext to his whole talk of swapping notes and getting to know each other (not that he wasn't also serious about it), I'm sure he would if he could.

[drtechnobabel]

God, this is hilarious! And I have to admit, I'm impressed that the artist took the time and effort to make the genderswapped versions of the crew look like their original counterparts in terms of body type and facial structure rather than just making them all look drop-dead gorgeous.

[yvonmukluk]

Mirror Shatner out of fucking nowhere.

YES.

[skjam]

Next up, mirror genderflip Kirk!

Sadly, since it's the Abramsverse, we won't get to hear about the genderflipped version of "Turnabout Intruder."

[beyondthefringe]

Oh, Spock, no.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[thatnickguy]

Eventually, the Kirks have to bang, right? I mean, it's RIGHT THERE. It's like Chekhov's Gun, only with sexual organs. And let's be honest, the only one who could truly please Kirk is another Kirk, regardless of gender.

[crinos]

What do you think Kirk meant by "Compare notes between our two universes"?

I think "notes" is Kirk code for "Our genitals."

[abates]

And then it turns out in this universe it's the men who get pregnant, like in that Red Dwarf episode.

[jeyl]

Now with this comic, Star Trek's attitudes towards real honest issues are strictly limited to belonging in alternate realities. First was having openly gay and bisexual characters being featured only in the mirror universe for Deep Space Nine, now a female dominant crew in NuTrek's alternate reality. Looks like we have a long way to go before we have a Star Trek series that has a vast majority female cast or characters who are as open to same-sex relationships as the ones who are to the opposite sex. Until than, they'll treated as issues that are "out of place".

Also, William Shatner as "Mirror Kirk" is supposed to have Brown eyes!

[halloweenjack]

Jadzia Dax and Lenara Kahn.

[junipepper]

Well, Shatner's eyes are on the green side of brown, a fairly bright color. In TOS it's more noticeable than in later years after his "hair" got so much darker. I'm not seeing a vivid blue in those scans (not like the Chris Pine color); maybe they're going for hazel?

[shadowpsykie]

it's not for lack of trying. Gene Roddenberry believed that issues like sexuality and gender and race would not even be an issue in the future.

more than one show runner has tried to insert positive same sex relationships into the show.

Jonathan Franks tried to have an episode where Riker fell in love with a gender neutral/androgynous alien (this was to serve 2 purposes, one, it would show that it was the being he was attracted to and not the gender, and two, Frankes wanted the actor to be male so that it would allude to the idea of a same sex relationship) however, they made they cast, and made it obvious, the actress was female, defeating the purpose. (Frankes was very upset about that) though it did carry a nice message about the ethical issues of forcing someone to "choose" one gender over the other.

In Voyager, it was alluded to the idea that Seven of Nine and the captain were going to form a relationship (even Kate Mulgrew mentioned it as a possibility) before they changed it to a mother/daughter relationship.

In Enterprise, Tripp was supposed to be gay, and even in the last episode, this idea was alluded to when an off screen Riker (again played by Frankes) asks "Do you think he's attractive" while refering to Archer (it's made to look like he's talking to Tripp, when in reality he's talking to an off screen Troi)

The Next Generation movies DID manage to sneak in two or three relationships. During the Borg attack in First Contact, a character was gay (and was mentioned at having a partner at least in the novelization).

All these efforts at inclusion were changed due to executive meddling.

Wikipedia has an interesting article. Most show runners have tried. which is more than can be said for others. They do a better job in comics and the novels/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_Star_Trek#LGBT_in_Star_Trek

[arbre_rieur]

If you're counting the spin-off material, which is what you're doing by including comics, then there have been a lot of openly bisexual and gay characters in the novels.

[big_daddy_d]

...is it weird that I find Lady Kirk and Lady Spock hot?

[icon_uk]

Why would that even be weird?

[chrisdv]

All I can think of is Lister sleeping with Lister in Red Dwarf.

[silverzeo]

The scene with the Spocks seem like that Embarsing Couple meme I've been seeing around recently, except instead of the news... it's each other...

[lieut_kettch]

Wait... does Jane Kirk share Jim Kirk's libido and narcissistic streak? Because if she does, then those two are totally gonna have space-gender-bender-doppelganger-incesturbation.

Also, it was a nice touch that mirror-Kirk was still Shatner and not Pine.

[thanekos]

There was a more analogous mirror Kirk, though.

[terrykun]

Whether they are Karl or Karla, the Urban Invincible Permafrown persists in all universes!

[seisachtheia]

Man, this is a delight.