Wait... does Jane Kirk share Jim Kirk's libido and narcissistic streak? Because if she does, then those two are totally gonna have space-gender-bender-doppelganger-incesturbation.
Also, it was a nice touch that mirror-Kirk was still Shatner and not Pine.
i wonder what it would be like if the universes were gay. Like Spock and Uhura were still together, but they would be the same gender and still in a relationship.
i wonder if Male Spock is interested in experimenting with Male Uhuro (also that was a last name so shouldn't it be Nyoto Uhura?) and Female spock being interested in experimenting with female Uhura with both partners shocked, but slightly intruiged....
oh god i feel another fanfic.... but i am not good at the lady stuff....
Male Uhuro (also that was a last name so shouldn't it be Nyoto Uhura?)
I had that same thought when this arc (and the names of Kirk and Uhura's counterparts were named) was announced. Now, it's possible that Swahili genders surnames like that, but I doubt it. (I don't think Nyoto would be a proper masculine counterpart to Nyota, either, but again, I don't know Swahili.)
OTOH, Russian DOES have gendered surnames, and Chekov's counterpart was...Chekov, rather than Chekova. Her forename was given as Pavlovna, which is not the feminine form of Pavel, as was likely intended, but the patronym for a woman whose father was named Pavel. There's a few possibilities for this discrepancy, but the most likely is 'the writer didn't do enough research' (the more charitable ones are that Russian names work differently in that universe, or that by the 24th century they changed so that patronyms have become valid forenames, and last names are no longer gendered).
(Main Universe and Prime Universe Chekov are named Pavel Andreievich Chekov - or Pavel, the son of Andrei Chekov. The most simple way to feminize the name would be Polina Andreievna Chekova - Polina, the daughter of Andrei Chekov.)
As a sidenote, Jane is pretty much the last name I'd have chosen for James Kirk's counterpart - Jacqueline (Jackie) or Jamie, which are both related to James, would seem much more likely, IMO.
Edited (Stupid, stupid spelling mistake, that I always make.) Date: 2014-03-03 06:11 pm (UTC)
I just checked my copy of issue 29 out of curiosity and here are the full names given for the various counterparts, and my commentary thereon...
James Tiberius Kirk - Jane Tiberia Kirk (My quibbles about the first name aside, barring some rule I don't know, the middle name does seem to be valid Latin.) Spock - Spock (While there are some exceptions, female Vulcan names tend to be in the form T'*, whereas S*k is mostly the masculine form - but Spock would be neither the first nor last exception, so, whatevs.) Janice Rand - Jason Rand (Fair enough.) Montgomery Scott - Marjorie Scott (Again, fair enough, but I think a more unusual name would have been more in keeping with Monty - someone in the other post suggested Morag, and I could totally have dug that.) Pavel Andreievich Chekov - Pavlovna [Patronym not given, but presumably Andreievna] Chekov (See my other post for my objection here.) Hikaru Sulu - Hikari Sulu (A fine name, but Hikaru is unisex, so it's a bit disappointing they changed it - Hikari and Hikaru are two different forms of the same name, anyway.) Nyota Uhura - Nnamdi Uhuro (Good choice on the first name...still not sure on the last.) Christine Chapel - Chris Chapel (Same name, just gender-flipped. Best choice.) Leonard McCoy - Lea McCoy (I'd have gone with Leonora, but given that one possible derivation of Lea is a Hebrew word meaning 'weary', it's not a bad choice for McCoy.) Carol Marcus - Carl Marcus (See Chris Chapel.) Keenser - Keensara (... I'd have just left it, personally, but since Keenser and Keensara are the only named members of their species we've ever met, I suppose this establishes both that and how their names are gendered.)
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Date: 2014-03-02 02:06 pm (UTC)Also, it was a nice touch that mirror-Kirk was still Shatner and not Pine.
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Date: 2014-03-03 02:08 pm (UTC)* What a wonderful turn of phrase... a very weird phrase and one I'd have no interest in personally, but wonderful nevertheless!
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Date: 2014-03-03 04:12 pm (UTC)i wonder if Male Spock is interested in experimenting with Male Uhuro (also that was a last name so shouldn't it be Nyoto Uhura?) and Female spock being interested in experimenting with female Uhura with both partners shocked, but slightly intruiged....
oh god i feel another fanfic.... but i am not good at the lady stuff....
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Date: 2014-03-03 06:07 pm (UTC)I had that same thought when this arc (and the names of Kirk and Uhura's counterparts were named) was announced. Now, it's possible that Swahili genders surnames like that, but I doubt it. (I don't think Nyoto would be a proper masculine counterpart to Nyota, either, but again, I don't know Swahili.)
OTOH, Russian DOES have gendered surnames, and Chekov's counterpart was...Chekov, rather than Chekova. Her forename was given as Pavlovna, which is not the feminine form of Pavel, as was likely intended, but the patronym for a woman whose father was named Pavel. There's a few possibilities for this discrepancy, but the most likely is 'the writer didn't do enough research' (the more charitable ones are that Russian names work differently in that universe, or that by the 24th century they changed so that patronyms have become valid forenames, and last names are no longer gendered).
(Main Universe and Prime Universe Chekov are named Pavel Andreievich Chekov - or Pavel, the son of Andrei Chekov. The most simple way to feminize the name would be Polina Andreievna Chekova - Polina, the daughter of Andrei Chekov.)
As a sidenote, Jane is pretty much the last name I'd have chosen for James Kirk's counterpart - Jacqueline (Jackie) or Jamie, which are both related to James, would seem much more likely, IMO.
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Date: 2014-03-03 06:30 pm (UTC)James Tiberius Kirk - Jane Tiberia Kirk (My quibbles about the first name aside, barring some rule I don't know, the middle name does seem to be valid Latin.)
Spock - Spock (While there are some exceptions, female Vulcan names tend to be in the form T'*, whereas S*k is mostly the masculine form - but Spock would be neither the first nor last exception, so, whatevs.)
Janice Rand - Jason Rand (Fair enough.)
Montgomery Scott - Marjorie Scott (Again, fair enough, but I think a more unusual name would have been more in keeping with Monty - someone in the other post suggested Morag, and I could totally have dug that.)
Pavel Andreievich Chekov - Pavlovna [Patronym not given, but presumably Andreievna] Chekov (See my other post for my objection here.)
Hikaru Sulu - Hikari Sulu (A fine name, but Hikaru is unisex, so it's a bit disappointing they changed it - Hikari and Hikaru are two different forms of the same name, anyway.)
Nyota Uhura - Nnamdi Uhuro (Good choice on the first name...still not sure on the last.)
Christine Chapel - Chris Chapel (Same name, just gender-flipped. Best choice.)
Leonard McCoy - Lea McCoy (I'd have gone with Leonora, but given that one possible derivation of Lea is a Hebrew word meaning 'weary', it's not a bad choice for McCoy.)
Carol Marcus - Carl Marcus (See Chris Chapel.)
Keenser - Keensara (... I'd have just left it, personally, but since Keenser and Keensara are the only named members of their species we've ever met, I suppose this establishes both that and how their names are gendered.)
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Date: 2014-03-04 09:29 am (UTC)After all some awesome women characters out there named Hikaru.
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Date: 2014-03-04 12:59 pm (UTC)