Thunderbolts #5

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[q99]

I will give *some* props for at least going for Tranq.

Though did he check to see *which* Spider-man was the danger?

[tugrul]

It was mentioned in the comic book it was the new one.

[silverhammerman]

I honestly can't fathom how Marvel is releasing this. Like, the writing is fine, but the art is legendary tier bad. It's absolutely unreadable.

I remember being excited for a new Thunderbolts series, and the Winter Soldier is one of Marvel's hottest characters right now, how on Earth did Marvel botch this so badly?

[informationgeek]

This series is already sinking bad in the numbers.

#1 was #32 with 45,000 copies.
#2 was #68 with 37,000 copies.
#3 was #91 with 26,000 copies.
The last issue, #4, was #137 with 18,000 copies.


Also, looking into the artist's history... he used to draw Youngblood and I heard he studied under Liefeld. It all comes together now.

[cainofdreaming]

Clearly the conclusion to be read from this is that Thunderbolts can't hold a title. And shouldn't be given a new one, ever, after this one gets the boot.

Oh, and this artist will be moved to the next fan favourite title.

[matrix_dragon]

According to comments on his twitter, he's deliberately playing up the Liefieldness of his work, because Thunderbolts is a 90s comic. Which makes no sense to me. If you're playing up Thunderbolts 90ish-ness, wouldn't you make your art look more like Bagley's?

[zechs80]

Thunderbolts is the most un-90s of comics ever. The very ideas are laid within an 80s story. The only 90s idea is the ridiculous hero costumes. That's it. But that's the twist. They weren't really 90s heroes at all.

It's gonna be a grand shame when Songbird is dragged into this mess.

[burkeonthesly]

I was thinking to myself, "man, this looks like Liefeld. It's not quite as bad as Liefeld, but it's got some of his tics." Like the funky proportions and the crosshatching eyeshadow.

[junipepper]

It's hideous. I'm generally willing to read pretty much anything with Bucky in it, but I just can't with this. I gave up after one issue.

[freezer]

It is amazing how fast and enthusiastically our so-called heroes are willing to commit felonies against individual citizens in the name of "preventing tragedies".

[locuatico]

Okay. This one I can believe. The way I read it, Steve's original "death" was a big "my greatest failure" moment for Bucky. The one thing that, if given the choice, he would go back in time and try to prevent.
Now he is being told it is going to happen again (not aware of Tony's discoveries) and that they are not tying to prevent it. It is still morally questionable at best, but I can grasp the logic behind it.

[cainofdreaming]

And so the first steps towards self fulfilment of the prediction have been taken. People listening to Ulysses plus tranqs never ends well.

[informationgeek]

My god does the artwork sap the life out of the comic. I feel nothing looking at these images. They just do not convey the emotion or drama of any of the scenes at with their stiff characters, bad facial expressions, and flat colors.

[thanekos]

Ah, taking tranq shots with a sniper rifle at a kid- it's like he's serving in an instructive capacity again for those Soviet child training facilities.

[tugrul]

There's a part in the comic where he is thrilled by doing something like this again and he even has a flashback where Natasha is turned on watching him work.

[starwolf_oakley]

"I'll force the world to make sense!"
In Marvel Comics? Good luck!

[aperturedreams]

This doesn't sound like Bucky at all.

[owlbrigade1]

Since when does a sniper silhouette themselves against a neon sign and not from the shadows created by it?

[cainofdreaming]

That's the quality Russian shadow ops training shining through.

[owlbrigade1]

In Soviet Russia, target snipes you... Yup, checks out.

[junipepper]

lol

[joetuss]

Bucky must have been counting on PIS to use that long range weapon on a spider person

[gnarll]

I think it was implied that he doesn't know about the spidersense

[long_silence]

Wasn't he on the same Avengers team as Parker?

[deh_tommy]

To be fair, this isn't Peter he's trying to capture.

[thehood]

You forget, he hasn't actually fought a Spider-Hero before. He also wasn't aware of Miles's other powers.

[philippos42]

I don't think the art in the "sniper in the rain" scene is that bad. Miles looks fine, and the McFarlanesque panel made me laugh. Oh, and oblivious Fixer looks all right.

[icon_uk]

Fixer with his tech-enhanced dressing gown!

[shakalooloo]

Fixer with the vanishing handle of his coffee mug!

And growing an extra finger as he drinks!

[philippos42]

OK, you're right. I wasn't paying that close attention.

[yap]

I don't read much Marvel outside of Kamala but this really comes across as Stucky here

[thehood]

How so?

[yap]

It's just the sort of vibe I get from fanfic, where Bucky is so obsessed with Steve and his innate goodness that everything else goes by the wayside.

[icon_uk]

I don't think it would work with any other characyer, but I'll give Bucky an obsession with keeping Steve safe without too much concern.

Steve is consistently the only person who has trusted in Bucky completely, as well as being the only person left who knew Bucky BEFORE the whole Winter Soldier thing.

[onsokumaru]

I'm almost glad that the art is terrible.
It makes less painful the fact that this "Thunderbolts" ongoing is 75 % about Bucky Bucky Bucky.

[reveen]

And that was the day Miles Morales gave birth to himself.