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Young Justice 11 and 12 - The Pit and The Pendulum
The Young Justice TV tie in comic was fairly unique insamuch as it works in parallel with the broadcast series. Events from the series were referenced in it and even more unusually plot points from the TV series were revealed or expanded in the comic. (This is probably because the comic was written by Greg Weisman, also the story editor for the series itself and he believes in cross marketing)
Case in point a long time Batman villain who had a new origin, and one which ties into a rather unexpected character; The Daughter of the Demon herself;
Now, I confess I've always found Talia a... difficult character to warm to.
Introduced as an exotic love interest for Batman in the Neal Adams run of the 1970's, and as a means of introducing her father Ra's Al Ghul (Who, on hearing that she was interested in Batman, promptly snuck into Dick Grayson's college dorm, tasered Robin when he came home from patrol, and then sent Batman 8 by 10 glossies to challenge him to a game of "Where in the world is the Hostage Wonder?". Which, y'know, I'm all for on general me-ish principle but that's beside the point)
Since then she's been a touch problematic at the best of times. In the 70's and 80's she kept having to decide between staying with her psycholpathic, international crime lord father, or following her heart and joining one of the world's greatest superheroes because she actually loved him. And yet somehow, despite constantly betratying his plans, she still kept picking Dad (They attempted to introduce her being a LOT older than she appeared and being dependent on regular physical contact with the Lazarus-affected Ra's to maintain her youth, which is a shallow, if explicable, reason but that never really went anywhere. The idea USED to be that surviving exposure to the Lazaus Pit was very rare, Ra's could do it many times, but it was losing it's potency on him, Bruce survived it once, but might not again, and no one else stood a chance. Since then they've become something akin to a freaking Day Spa for the near-deceased but that's another post for another day). Then they introduced her sister Nyssa Al Ghul, which didn't really take, and perhaps the less said about the deranged psychopath that Morrison made her the better (Though I confess I did like her being used as a foil for Nightwing in his Tomasi run. The children of two such... forceful and rival personalities clashed in far more interesting ways than I expected, despite it being such an obvious comparison)
Young Justice picked and chose from the entirety of DC history to make something new, and I wa curious to see what they'd do with with Talia...
Issue 11 featured, at the start a plot of Ra's which ended, as his scheme so often do, with him being killed, but as we all know, that rarely stops him for long, and so...
Ubu is, of course, Ra's primary muscle and bodyguard (It seems there may have been many to hold that title) and the Sensei is a senior member of the League of Shadows (and in some versions Ra's father, but that's not addressed in this case)
Issue 12 was told "Memento" style, the events shown in reverse order, referencing a fight that the team had with Clayface in the sewers below Gotham City from the TV episode "Downtime" . No one had heard of this being before, still less why he was shrieking ""What is happening to me? and "What has she done to me?"
ra's hears the commotion and heads back downstairs...
Ra's is NOT to be underestimated.... Ra's decides to seal him up and ship him to Gotham, which Talia thinks is petty, but Ra's doesn't care. And that is what leads to the events of the TV episode.
We then flash further back... I will add here, rather than interrupt the flow on the scene, that another thing that used to be the detault is that Ra's was prepared to tolerate Batman in Talia's life because A) He was worthy of her and B) He loved his daughter, and genuinely wanted her to be happy. In later iterations he seemed to view her as some sort of Darwinian matriominal experiment, with Ra's not caring about her feelings, but approving of ANYONE who could beat her previous beau... so for a while Bane was his preferred mate for Talia, not for any qualities of his own, but because he had broken Batman... That got old fast IMHO)
Anyhoo....
Now this is a side of Talia I don't think we've seen before, she wants a life of her own... as Talia, not Talia Al Ghul.... and Ra's can't deny his daughter that if it makes her happy, but he is actually being a concerned father.
And so...
Anyone want to guess how well this is going to go?
And if you thought you shouldn't cross Ra's...
This also means that Talia left him to dissolve in there, and let her father revive in a Lazarus Pit which was full of floating bits of Matt Hagen... which is a whole new level of "Ewwww!"
Case in point a long time Batman villain who had a new origin, and one which ties into a rather unexpected character; The Daughter of the Demon herself;
Now, I confess I've always found Talia a... difficult character to warm to.
Introduced as an exotic love interest for Batman in the Neal Adams run of the 1970's, and as a means of introducing her father Ra's Al Ghul (Who, on hearing that she was interested in Batman, promptly snuck into Dick Grayson's college dorm, tasered Robin when he came home from patrol, and then sent Batman 8 by 10 glossies to challenge him to a game of "Where in the world is the Hostage Wonder?". Which, y'know, I'm all for on general me-ish principle but that's beside the point)
Since then she's been a touch problematic at the best of times. In the 70's and 80's she kept having to decide between staying with her psycholpathic, international crime lord father, or following her heart and joining one of the world's greatest superheroes because she actually loved him. And yet somehow, despite constantly betratying his plans, she still kept picking Dad (They attempted to introduce her being a LOT older than she appeared and being dependent on regular physical contact with the Lazarus-affected Ra's to maintain her youth, which is a shallow, if explicable, reason but that never really went anywhere. The idea USED to be that surviving exposure to the Lazaus Pit was very rare, Ra's could do it many times, but it was losing it's potency on him, Bruce survived it once, but might not again, and no one else stood a chance. Since then they've become something akin to a freaking Day Spa for the near-deceased but that's another post for another day). Then they introduced her sister Nyssa Al Ghul, which didn't really take, and perhaps the less said about the deranged psychopath that Morrison made her the better (Though I confess I did like her being used as a foil for Nightwing in his Tomasi run. The children of two such... forceful and rival personalities clashed in far more interesting ways than I expected, despite it being such an obvious comparison)
Young Justice picked and chose from the entirety of DC history to make something new, and I wa curious to see what they'd do with with Talia...
Issue 11 featured, at the start a plot of Ra's which ended, as his scheme so often do, with him being killed, but as we all know, that rarely stops him for long, and so...
Ubu is, of course, Ra's primary muscle and bodyguard (It seems there may have been many to hold that title) and the Sensei is a senior member of the League of Shadows (and in some versions Ra's father, but that's not addressed in this case)
Issue 12 was told "Memento" style, the events shown in reverse order, referencing a fight that the team had with Clayface in the sewers below Gotham City from the TV episode "Downtime" . No one had heard of this being before, still less why he was shrieking ""What is happening to me? and "What has she done to me?"
ra's hears the commotion and heads back downstairs...
Ra's is NOT to be underestimated.... Ra's decides to seal him up and ship him to Gotham, which Talia thinks is petty, but Ra's doesn't care. And that is what leads to the events of the TV episode.
We then flash further back... I will add here, rather than interrupt the flow on the scene, that another thing that used to be the detault is that Ra's was prepared to tolerate Batman in Talia's life because A) He was worthy of her and B) He loved his daughter, and genuinely wanted her to be happy. In later iterations he seemed to view her as some sort of Darwinian matriominal experiment, with Ra's not caring about her feelings, but approving of ANYONE who could beat her previous beau... so for a while Bane was his preferred mate for Talia, not for any qualities of his own, but because he had broken Batman... That got old fast IMHO)
Anyhoo....
Now this is a side of Talia I don't think we've seen before, she wants a life of her own... as Talia, not Talia Al Ghul.... and Ra's can't deny his daughter that if it makes her happy, but he is actually being a concerned father.
And so...
Anyone want to guess how well this is going to go?
And if you thought you shouldn't cross Ra's...
This also means that Talia left him to dissolve in there, and let her father revive in a Lazarus Pit which was full of floating bits of Matt Hagen... which is a whole new level of "Ewwww!"
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Peter David and Scans_Daily do not have a good history, to say the least, and as a result none of his work may ever be posted here.
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The writer of the original YJ - a.k.a. He Who Shall Not Be Named - didn't approve of the idea of Scans Daily. Especially people posting last page spoilers of issues released the same day, like one of his comics at the time (rhymes with Hex Actor).
So he reported the community (then on LiveJournal) and had it permanently removed. We recovered by moving to Dreamwidth, but have a specific rule never to post anything by him. Which is a shame, because he's quite prolific with many great comics under his belt.