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[personal profile] cyberghostface 2018-05-23 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Tony was able to bring Rhodes back to life via the same way he was able to 'reboot' himself after Civil War II.

And in an indeterminate future Tony is set to become the Sorcerer Supreme.
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[personal profile] bruinsfan 2018-05-23 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
And in an indeterminate future Tony is set to become the Sorcerer Supreme.

Which I call utter BS on. I doubt Stark could accept the metaphysics, symbolism, and irrationality of magic enough to learn how to light a candle, much less become the most advanced practitioner on earth.

At Marvel the practice of magic also seems to be like artistic talent, something you're born with an aptitude for and have to develop through a lifetime of learning and practice. Hence why Victor von Doom is a middling sorcerer despite likely being the most intelligent one on the planet, whereas others have shown far greater knack for it. Stark's never shown a hint of that aptitude, and at times has been openly contemptuous of the art. That's not a mindset that lends itself to mastering something.

[personal profile] silicondream 2018-05-23 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Doom is middling? Thought he was generally next in line for Supremeness after Strange.
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[personal profile] bruinsfan 2018-05-23 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Doom came in second in a competition for the title (in which he, Strange, and a bunch of minor magicians never seen before or since competed), but even in that graphic novel it was clear that his magical abilities weren't all that impressive and he was squeaking by thanks to his intellect and tactical experience. Noteworthy magicians not participating included:



Agatha Harkness
Baron Mordo
Belasco
Clea
Dakimh the Enchanter
Daimon Hellstrom
Isaiah Curwen
Jennifer Kale
Kaluu
Kulan Gath (alive at that time)
Marie Laveau
Merlin
Morgan Le Fay
Salome

I'd say any of the above are more skilled and talented at sorcery than Doom, with Salome having been Sorceress Supreme in the distant past and Merlin having been the de facto Sorcerer Supreme in the Dark Ages without officially holding the office.

I'd also say that Wanda Maximoff and Elizabeth Twoyoungmen can channel lots more power than Doom, though he might actually be more expert as each is an edge case who owes her power to something other than years of rigorous study and training.
Edited 2018-05-23 23:03 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sapphite 2018-05-24 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
"Which I call utter BS on. I doubt Stark could accept the metaphysics, symbolism, and irrationality of magic enough to learn how to light a candle, much less become the most advanced practitioner on earth."

Well, there was that one What-If where he became the Sorcerer Supreme. And he figured out how to integrate magic into his suit with the Thorbuster armor. And he built magic weapons and armor during Fear Itself.

Tony's not generally portrayed as someone who's incapable of understanding magic. It's just an avenue he hasn't really pursued
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[personal profile] kore 2018-05-24 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
He was Sorcerer Supreme in Generations: Iron Man, right? Doesn't he say magic and technology are basically the same thing in that one?