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A serious competition for Terry Long?!
As requested I continue posting random 80's Teen Titans stuff.
So... not happy with Terry Long being Donna's lover? Too old? Too annoying? Too creepy? And on top of that a silly haircut? Well, in New Teen Titans #11-12 (1981) he's getting a rival:

See for yourself if the new guy in town can keep up with Terry!
The context: in an intense battle with Deathstroke Gar got shot and is now on the brink of death. To save their friend the Titans fly off to Paradise Island where Gar hopefully can be healed by the Amazon's Purple Ray. While the girls take Gar down to the island the boys leave for a different mission in Africa. And somewhere else...


Meet Hyperion from the Titans of Myth! And before the obvious encounter with Donna, let's take a quick look and compare him with Terry:
Hair: ... well, give Terry a shave and put some flowers in his hair and they could be brothers.
Age: with more than 30.000 years Hyperion wins here - to be fair, Terry might look old but he's actually only 29.
Factor of annoyance: most of us were a bit angry at Terry because he ruined Dick's speech at the campfire scene, but at least you can get a word out in his presence... not so sure here.
Factor of creepiness: ... I always found the Titans of Myth pretty creepy, too.


Hera help me, too, for I cannot bear his enormous ego...


You heard Kory, Dick is the only real man on earth!

And off they fly... to Tartarus once again. After battling a few cyclopses they manage to free the other Titans of Myth:

Together they decide that it's about time to throw Zeus and the other younger gods from the throne. Also: Kory, Raven and the Amazons are on their way to rescue Donna (bringing even Athena herself along), but Donna being Hyperion's new first lady doesn't really care.
Instead in the next issue they head off to Mount Olympus...


Epic battles are fought there and in the end the Titans of Myth win, turning the younger gods into stone.

Momma's here and she doesn't approve of Donna's new boyfriend.
They try to talk things out. Athena being the awesome mod explains that the new peaceful world the Titans of Myth were talking about unfortunately comes without freedom and free will.

And war they get! Kory frees Zeus and before the situation gets even worse, Athena can finally talk sense into everyone. Everyone? Not quite! Hyperion still has something to bitch about.


I know this single page was already included in the Donna&Terry love story post, but it's the epilogue, I can't leave it out...

I'm so bold to say that with Kyle Donna's taste in men changed for the better.
So... not happy with Terry Long being Donna's lover? Too old? Too annoying? Too creepy? And on top of that a silly haircut? Well, in New Teen Titans #11-12 (1981) he's getting a rival:

See for yourself if the new guy in town can keep up with Terry!
The context: in an intense battle with Deathstroke Gar got shot and is now on the brink of death. To save their friend the Titans fly off to Paradise Island where Gar hopefully can be healed by the Amazon's Purple Ray. While the girls take Gar down to the island the boys leave for a different mission in Africa. And somewhere else...


Meet Hyperion from the Titans of Myth! And before the obvious encounter with Donna, let's take a quick look and compare him with Terry:
Hair: ... well, give Terry a shave and put some flowers in his hair and they could be brothers.
Age: with more than 30.000 years Hyperion wins here - to be fair, Terry might look old but he's actually only 29.
Factor of annoyance: most of us were a bit angry at Terry because he ruined Dick's speech at the campfire scene, but at least you can get a word out in his presence... not so sure here.
Factor of creepiness: ... I always found the Titans of Myth pretty creepy, too.


Hera help me, too, for I cannot bear his enormous ego...


You heard Kory, Dick is the only real man on earth!

And off they fly... to Tartarus once again. After battling a few cyclopses they manage to free the other Titans of Myth:

Together they decide that it's about time to throw Zeus and the other younger gods from the throne. Also: Kory, Raven and the Amazons are on their way to rescue Donna (bringing even Athena herself along), but Donna being Hyperion's new first lady doesn't really care.
Instead in the next issue they head off to Mount Olympus...


Epic battles are fought there and in the end the Titans of Myth win, turning the younger gods into stone.

Momma's here and she doesn't approve of Donna's new boyfriend.
They try to talk things out. Athena being the awesome mod explains that the new peaceful world the Titans of Myth were talking about unfortunately comes without freedom and free will.

And war they get! Kory frees Zeus and before the situation gets even worse, Athena can finally talk sense into everyone. Everyone? Not quite! Hyperion still has something to bitch about.


I know this single page was already included in the Donna&Terry love story post, but it's the epilogue, I can't leave it out...

I'm so bold to say that with Kyle Donna's taste in men changed for the better.
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I think both of them together are the stuff nightmares are made of.
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Donna: Terry Long (... Terry Long), Roy Harper (a good guy but not a good mate), Angle Man (amusing as a suitor, problematic as an actual prospect), Kyle Rayner (we have a winner). She's running a 25% success rate, down to 20% if you look at the suitor pool and Hyperion pops up. (She does, however, have the highest ratio of decent costumes in the family, which is something.)
Diana: Superman (ultimately not a good match, but excellent taste), Batman (just no), Aquaman, apparently (but only when he's a prick, so that's also a no), Rama (a true winner), Trevor Barnes (a true loser), Tresser (no), Io (again, ultimately not a good match but excellent taste). 42% success rate. Add in suitors, though - Indelicato, Schorr - and we're down to 33%.
Cassie: Kon (good call), Tim (... not a bad idea in theory, but disgusting and wrong in execution, and deeply problematic when combined with the way Diana gets passed between Clark and Bruce). 50% success rate, and no rejected suitors.
Temi: Mike Schorr (loser) and that dude from the mini whose name I forget, he's that dumb (loser). 0% success rate.
So, on average, amazons have about a 36% likelihood of ending up in a decent match. Not exactly awe-inspiring, but at least there's a chance.
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Maybe even do one of those amalgamated universe where the Herc she knew back in the day was Marvel's Herc.
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If I acknowledge that there even was a Silver and Bronze Age Steve Trevor, I'd have to acknowledge a Silver and Bronze Age Wonder Woman, and that's not going to happen. But in those books that didn't happen, wasn't Steve Trevor dead for most of the Bronze age?
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wasn't Steve Trevor dead for most of the Bronze age?
Well, some. He was his own son for a while in there too, or masquerading as his own son, or as somebody else, or... something. I confess I haven't read the era too vigorously.
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Or legal!
Golden Age Athena held a patent on Amazonian training, and licensed it to Aphrodite under stringent terms. No men on Paradise Island is part of the terms. If they let a man step foot on the island, their license is revoked!
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LOLling at Kyle Rayner being a good match, though. Isn't he the owner of the penis of death? Or was it being sarcastic?
...the way Diana gets passed between Clark and Bruce... is just so...porn-y.
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Though at least Donna's resilient. Kyle's Black Widower effect didn't kick in on her until a couple years after they'd broken up, and she came back in about the same span of time. Better she dates him than he end up with someone like, I dunno, Gypsy.
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Hell, I think Ive already drawn that.
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Phillippus and Hippolyta?
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Phil gets all flustered and openmouthed and then the news arrives that Polly is dead.
Philly and Polly sitting in a tree...
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Where they showed it as conscentual which ticked Diana off because it wasn't.
Also, Cassie DOES have a rejected suitor: back in her mini series Hercules made a pass at her (her being his half-sister is referenced*) because he wanted to make a new pantheon due to the Female Furies imprisoning the old ones.
*If I remember correctly he said that Zeus and Hera are brother and sister, so it should be ok or something.
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Fair point about Herc hitting on Cassie, though I didn't really get the impression he was actually serious about that the way his romance with Polly was serious or Mike Schorr's crush on Diana was serious. He kind of just bugs her about it a couple times then moves on with a shrug and a "whatever."
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Maybe it's because I've recently watched JLU again (they do do a lot of things better then the comics), but I never really saw what was so bad about them as a couple.
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Also, there's a Bats/Wondy teamup where several of her villains possess several of his villains, giving them mythological powers. Naturally, both heroes get involved in the fight, and in the process, Bats gets briefly possessed by Ares's son Phobos, the demigod of Fear. He very nearly gives into this completely, revelling in the ability to do instantly what he's sought to do through initimidation for years, making every person in the city terrified of him - then Wondy steps in, and reminds him that fear is not, in fact, what his mission is. She helps him overcome Phobos and cast him out - had she not been there, he might well have been lost forever. Afterwards, while it's hardly lovey-dovey, the two share a moment where they're considerably more open with each other than the two normally are, with the implication that they could possibly be closer if they chose.
So while I agree that a Batman/Wondy hookup is unlikely, and that there are better candidates for Diana's love, it's not an impossible thing - it could actually work fairly well, given the right writer.
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Bruce would say no, because it would break the Bat/Bruce separator line, Diana have trouble with the concept of secret identity, they'd have a fight, possibly make-up, and go on from there, each mentally, subconsciously adding to the tally of "I'm not happy in this relationship." Eventually, that list gets too long for one or both of them, and they end it. Their friendship is always slightly awkward afterwords, and months, maybe years later, they'll keep wondering "What the hell was I thinkin?"
I don't like seeing painful romances that are doomed to failure and kinda fail whilst their occurring.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; having seen these sorts of things in real life (they burn brightly but quickly, and in the end, no one's happy)
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This is a good story, if skeevy, but for me it just highlights that much more how poorly thought out Donna's post-Crisis treatment was. Because... this is perfect. The Titans are enemies of the Olympians; they are therefore the natural enemies of the amazons as well. They were imprisoned by their children, and their first act, if they became capable of acting, would be to war with Zeus. If one of the Wonder women could make a peace between them, so much the better, but it would start ugly, and manipulative and careless of human life, because that's what Titans *are* in the mythology that the entire Wonder mythology is based on. So... you make Donna the offspring of the "Titans of Myth" and have her swear by Rhea all the time... you're not just sundering her from her proper amazon heritage, you're actually making her an enemy of her people.
Also, damn. Remember how pretty Donna was when she wore an outfit with a halfway attractive neckline?
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See, for my money if your going to date a Greek god, get ahold of Hermes. It's not just ,that is a big dick, it's that big dick,so big a freakin' bird is landing on it.
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Interesting bit about Ares as well..
Priapus was accounted as a warlike god, a rustic tutor to the infant Ares, "who taught him dancing first and war only afterwards
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*spurt!*
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"It's okay, I'll get another fast too."
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Actually..maybe more like Perez and Micheline?
You know the one from Avengers 200 which, (Irony upon Ironies,) Claremont later on exposed the horror of it in his Avengers Annual 10..
A lot of Claremont's mind control seems to be from characters who are more straight forwardly evil in that regard..
Whist this Hyperion doesn't seem to be entirly potrayed as the nasty piece of work that he so obviously is..(Much like the initial marcus potrayal in Avengers..)
(PS I adore David Micheline's work on Iron man, and much of his run on Spidey, but I don't know what the heck he was thinking when he wrote that avengers arc...)
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(Although I guess what the writers would argue is that Donna's is more guilt induced if she sees herself as betraying someone. I can't honestly recall if Carol was with anyone back in Avengers, although I don't think she was..)
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OTOH, that whole thing where Donna is enthralled and touching her own face, etc.? *That* has always struck me as creepy.
Go figure. [shrug]
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I, too, read these New Teen Titans stories in the early 1980s, and never thought Terry Long was creepy. Still don't.
The latter-day reaction against him seems to be based on:
* changes in fashion. For those of us who lived through the era of unbuttoned shirts, facial hair, and shorts that were actually short instead of Capri pants for men, Terry's look just isn't that strange.
* to some extent, changes in mores. Recognition of HIV and sexual harassment gave a different edge to the sexual atmosphere pervading the New Teen Titans. Even though the scripts make clear that Donna is a grown woman, isn't Terry's student, isn't young enough to be his daughter, etc., some people still disapprove of the relationship.
* how Terry's character developed later, when he began to act out Marv Wolfman's problems with writer's block and became less refreshing and more annoying.
* the paradox that Wolfman put into the character from the beginning: how someone superpowered like Donna was attracted to an ordinary man.
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Euuuuuuuuuuugh. *pukes* This is disgusting.
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No, I mean ZEUS pretending to be an animal.
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"ZEUS!"
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Nyah ha ha
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Wait, henchman Marco, pull up! WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE--
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But you forget there are scans. I shall enjoy the challenge from the grave.
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Plus my twisted mind has conjured images far more horrifying than anythign they would be allowed to print.
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Thanks for posting, never saw this before.
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And I got all that from memory. Should I be proud or ashamed?
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uuuuuuuuu--BLAURHG
::HEADSPLODE::
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1. Is he really old? CHECK!
2. POOFY Hair CHECK!
3. CREEPY? CHECK!
Yep, she'd date him, and have creepy children with him.
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I like the way the narrator's voice in these stories. "She is strong, this Amazon." Constructions like that.
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Dear GOD Donna
Donna, you're asking a dude that EATS BABIES. And has sex with his sister. Did I mention he also eats babies?
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He is pretty much naked though after he turned into that sea monster two issues later in NTT #13 and Kory has to fly him back to the island.
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Might as well be kissing the sun...
A question though - why, exactly, did Hyperion, after thousands of years, just - suddenly break free like that? Did the warranty on his ancient stone prison expire? Did the batteries run out? Did Hyperion just go "fuck this, I'm out"?
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