Court Date

[colonel_green]

Been busy lately with work (you graduate, and suddenly you're expected to have a job), so I haven't done this in a while; but, four scans from Captain America #611.
 

This is the beginning of "The Trial of Captain America", the aftermath of Bucky's past being revealed by Baron Zemo in the "No Escape" arc.  Predictably, the media is sensationalizing everything.

The National Security Council and the President basically accept Steve's version of events, but the public is a different consideration (particularly because of the Philadelphia bombing):




Not til after the midterms, Steve.

Steve goes to talk with Bucky, who's spent the evening breaking up another neo-Nazi gathering (with papers promoting that "The Master is Coming").




So the trial is on.
 

Comments

[fullbodytransplant.wordpress.com]

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Good times, thanks again!

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[fullbodytransplant.wordpress.com]

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[glimmung]

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[glimmung]

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[liopleurodon]

Steve looks painfully constipated in pretty much every panel.

[valtyr]

I think his fishnets are chafing.

[neev]

Yeah, wtf happened to his eyes? Bucky has eyes, why doesn't Cap?

[schala_kid]

I agree although I do like the last panel, it looks like he's about to cry while Bucky has that sad smile.

Veyr powerful.

[wasabi.livejournal.com]

It's the eyebrows. Steve has taken up eyebrow knitting in his spare time.

[lieut_kettch]

So Steve needs to find a medium for Bucky's side of the story? Quick! Find Sally Floyd! She knows how to use the MySpace and the Twitter!

[halialkers]

This is where I bring up a fridge logic issue with the Marvel Universe. If guys like the Hate Monger and Baron Zemo are running around, shouldn't there have been some European analogue to those Japanese who stopped fighting for the Axis in the 1970s? I mean if Hitler's still alive and well, the Nazis and Neo-Nazis should be claiming still to be the legitimate government of Germany as opposed to the BDR/GDR. I suppose this is overthinking it.....

[geoffsebesta]

Japan was too far from NYC, and as we all know everything superhero happens in NYC?

[halialkers]

I was asking how Hitler survives into the modern era but Germans don't end up with holdouts into the 1970s the way Japan did. It would seem to me that given the Nazis wanted a national suicide the same way the Imperial Japanese leadership did that if Hitler indeed survives the war due to Zemo then the Nuremberg trials suddenly get a lot more complicated.

[geoffsebesta]

How much Marvel logic do you want to apply here? 10%? 100%?

Obviously the real answer is "Kirby served in Europe and that's why."

[halialkers]

Eh, I'll split the difference and say 50%.

Point conceded as to the real reason.

[darkblade]

The answer is European Superheroes we never see on panel. They stop the nazis from coming back in Europe.

[icon_uk]

Damn right they do!

[espanolbot]

Plus most of the fascists that appear in the European end of the modern Marvel Universe appear to be also vampires, so we don't have to have trials on account of people are allowed to just murder them.

Because execution without a trial okay on the public if those responsible are both Nazis and vampires or something.

But, eh, they're vampire Nazis, that means they're most definately evil.

Wow, it really seems like being being sarcastic in favour of either Nazis or vampires. XP

[jlbarnett]

I think everyone knows that the various Hitlers running around the MU are just clones of the original guy. Not the original and since dynastic succession was never set up his clones, which would be the closest thing he had to kids wouldn't be in charge of Germany.

In factHitler appointed a successor and said successor surrendered. So that's the end of that.

[skalja]

The situation the Japanese holdouts were in doesn't really translate to the European front or German culture, though.

[mullon]

Chat he needs to do is save Washington DC in front of a bunch of cameras.

[icon_uk]

Worked for Norman Osborn

[geoffsebesta]

This is some pretty terrible dialogue and plot. Most importantly, I'm a Gruenwald guy at heart and I just cannot see Cap being such a dick to Obama, especially when there's such a contradiction there:

"You're the President. You can do anything that you want to. So do what I tell you to do. Because you can't tell me what to do."

Umm....huh.

I am not a Brubaker fan.

[colonel_green]

That's not a contradiction; he's telling Obama to do the right thing, which is within his power.

[geoffsebesta]

Are we agreed that Mark Gruenwald is spinning in his grave causing thousands of copies of Squadron Supreme to flutter weakly in outrage?

Cap might refuse an order. He would never be rude. Especially not with a president who was trying to work with him.

[akodo_rokku]

To be fair, Steve has a LOT of issues re: Bucky. I can see him being less than perfectly placid and polite.

[espanolbot]

A bit of the old Nick Fury version of Shield raising its head there...

[thehood]

It's not the first time he has stuck it to a President. He care fror the American people, not the goverment.

[darkknightjrk]

Not bad, but a bit OT--it's really funny to me that Obama's a character with his own tag on this comm now. :D

[likeaminx]

Is it bad that when he suggested a new venue to talk on my brain went "BUCKY COULD GO ON THE DAILY SHOW"

[feyandstrange]

You're never alone!

And since I'm reading this on the day of the rally, I'm picturing a Bucky appearance on the Mall.

[skalja]

I basically want every superhero ever to appear on the Daily Show. Or the Graham Norton Show if they're British.

[starwolf_oakley]

Steve is in a bad position here, because people accepted Bucky as the new Captain America for one reason: Steve vouched for him.

"Well, this new Captain America *seems* all right, and yet..."
"Steve vouched for him."
"Okay, new Cap then."

Plus, Bucky has to use the unpopular "I was only following orders" defense. In his case, it's valid. But people aren't going to like it and may not fully believe it.

[jlbarnett]

shouldn't Bucky be able to use, "I was severely brain damaged and manipulated" as his defense?

[starwolf_oakley]

Yes, but Bucky would have to say in full:

"I was severely brain damaged and manipulated, but I'm not brain damaged and manipulated now. Steve Rogers cured me with a little magic box."

[liara_shadowsong]

I'm sure there exists a way to word that which could actually be used as a legitimate defense that people would listen to. I don't know what wording that would be, but then again, there is a very good reason that I stick with science.

[valtyr]

It's not like crazier shit hasn't happened. Quite a lot. Also they accepted Norman Osborn.

[feyandstrange]

Yeah, you'd think the story could be spun as "Evil Zemo tortured our American soldiers! And look, it's a hunky brave heroic white boy soldier! He's a hero - Zemo is the bad guy! Now here's the torture footage again, friends of BUcky talking about how horrible it was, other victims of Zemo talking about how horrible Zemo is, and by the way here's a charity fund to help Zemo's victims. Isn't Zemo dastardly?"

I mean, since when does the press have only one version of a story? You'd think FOX would be singing Bucky's praises if everyone else hated him. (Which isn't good either, but shows what I mean about two sides.)

[psychopathicus_rex]

Well, which is more sensational a story? 'HOLY CRAP, CAPTAIN AMERICA IS REALLY A BAD GUY 'CAUSE HE WORKED FOR THE REDS' or 'CAPTAIN AMERICA IS STILL CAPTAIN AMERICA, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT HE WORKED FOR THE REDS'? As best I can tell, your average paper/news program will go for the former every time - outrage sells.

[big_daddy_d]

I find this to be an interesting arc..but it also reminds me why I am not the media's biggest fan...

[starwolf_oakley]

This happens in CAPTAIN AMERICA stories from time to time. Steve is always a little confused people don't get their news from the radio or newsreels.

Still, he isn't really naive about how news and the media has changed over the decades. That first Nomad story is a good example in CAPTAIN AMERICA #183.

[thanekos]

A Master, man?

[psychopathicus_rex]

So, if Bucky DOES have to cut and run, will that make Steve Cap again?

[colonel_green]

Steve doesn't want to be Cap because of that apocalyptic vision of the future he saw in Reborn, so until that's resolved (and I imagine it's the main plot of Secret Avengers), I don't think he will.

[psychopathicus_rex]

An apocalyptic vision of the future specifically attendant on his being Cap again? That does it, he'll be back in the red white and blue faster than you can say 'plot device'.