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icon_uk ([personal profile] icon_uk) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2012-01-29 11:18 pm

Dudes in Distress Week - The Dynamic Duo get metatexual about deathtraps

From Batman Adventures #9 may I present...

Deathtrap-A-Go-Go! (No, seriously again that's the name, honest...)

We open with Batman and Robin as we have seen them so many times....

Batman, then proceeds to relate to Tim about some REAL deathtraps he's been in.... Including Killer Croc's chamber of underfed mutant alligators (unaware that Bruce spent a summer wrestling alligators in Florida during his training years) and the Penguin in his Bye-Bi-Bird-Plane (Which is as good a name as his Aviary of Doom in the classic BTAS episode "Almost Got Him") and of course...

Oh, and The Mad Hatter is (apparently) a good haberdasher, but lousy at rope tying (Which sort of misses the point of BTAS Mad Hatter methinks, but we'll let that slide)

And then of course there was the Scarecrow's House of Horrors...

Awesome! And it looks like a certain Boy Wonder agrees.... and has some observations of his own to share with his mentor.

Good points on both sides there I think... deathtraps are a matter of PRIDE for the villains of Gotham. Crowbars to the head are unthinkable when you can produce something that is over elaborate, over the top, but uniquely your OWN.

It ends with our heroes escaping their chains to face... whoever it is doing the trapping here (It's never made clear) and Robin lists the three points he's learned from Batman's stories;

1) Batman's enemies are, to a fault, arts and crafts NUTS.
2) Batman has a VERY hard head.
3) Don't sweat the deathtraps.

Which seems like a good lesson to learn for a career in Gotham crimefighting.

Though... "They have to lure you into it"? Seriously Robin? Haven't you sussed yet that that's what YOU'RE for? Oh well, if you haven't worked it out about being the "Boy Hostage", I'm not going to spoil it for you.
runespoor: 8-year old bruce looking creepily calm, with the quote "what makes you think I was alone". (the lesson is always canon)

[personal profile] runespoor 2012-01-30 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oops. Sorry.

I'll rescind my objection about the Joker but the rest of my point stands.
(Tangent: though I do think a case can be made about how sanity and absence of mental disorder aren't synonymous. Law.com's definition of "insanity" includes this: mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior., emphasis mine. Is Joker currently considered legally sane in comics? Because if he's not, that's not helping the ableism.)

I don't know the Doylist reason for not having Tim in more episodes (maybe he was the Replacement Scrappy?), but at least the Watsonian one makes sense. Oh, I can certainly see Batman do that. But it does strange things to what it means about Babs, imo, it makes her very different from the character in comics canon. Yes, I remember it's an adaptation, but it seems to me like there was more thinking done on Timmy Todd than on how DCAU!Babs is different from comics!Babs. It changes the dynamic of Babs' character a lot. For one, she doesn't get bored or frustrated with Batgirl.

[personal profile] whitesycamore 2012-01-30 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, comics labouring the point of how insane the Joker is is one of my biggest pet peeves. Because he's not. Most of the time he's not written as even mildly psychotic.

If writers really wanted to give him some sort of realistic diagnosis, they should go for Antisocial personality disorder. And really, even that is more an uneasily medicalised description of a particularly baffling and objectionable type of person rather than a clear cut 'condition.'