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From Batman Adventures #9 may I present...

Deathtrap-A-Go-Go! (No, seriously again that's the name, honest...)

We open with Batman and Robin as we have seen them so many times....

Batman, then proceeds to relate to Tim about some REAL deathtraps he's been in.... Including Killer Croc's chamber of underfed mutant alligators (unaware that Bruce spent a summer wrestling alligators in Florida during his training years) and the Penguin in his Bye-Bi-Bird-Plane (Which is as good a name as his Aviary of Doom in the classic BTAS episode "Almost Got Him") and of course...

Oh, and The Mad Hatter is (apparently) a good haberdasher, but lousy at rope tying (Which sort of misses the point of BTAS Mad Hatter methinks, but we'll let that slide)

And then of course there was the Scarecrow's House of Horrors...

Awesome! And it looks like a certain Boy Wonder agrees.... and has some observations of his own to share with his mentor.

Good points on both sides there I think... deathtraps are a matter of PRIDE for the villains of Gotham. Crowbars to the head are unthinkable when you can produce something that is over elaborate, over the top, but uniquely your OWN.

It ends with our heroes escaping their chains to face... whoever it is doing the trapping here (It's never made clear) and Robin lists the three points he's learned from Batman's stories;

1) Batman's enemies are, to a fault, arts and crafts NUTS.
2) Batman has a VERY hard head.
3) Don't sweat the deathtraps.

Which seems like a good lesson to learn for a career in Gotham crimefighting.

Though... "They have to lure you into it"? Seriously Robin? Haven't you sussed yet that that's what YOU'RE for? Oh well, if you haven't worked it out about being the "Boy Hostage", I'm not going to spoil it for you.

Date: 2012-01-30 12:08 am (UTC)
aeka: (Huntress [glasses]:)
From: [personal profile] aeka
So Batman and Robin's way of coping with being dudes in distress is to tell each other deathtrap stories. Interesting.

Not as interesting as when Dick!Batman and Damian!Robin are in distress though.

Date: 2012-01-30 12:15 am (UTC)
golden_orange: trust me, i'm wearing a vegetable. (Default)
From: [personal profile] golden_orange
I love how Batman's response when Robin points out how crazy it is to plan, budget and execute these death traps is basically a glorified "... fucking duh, Robin."

Date: 2012-01-30 12:48 am (UTC)
lascoden: Anarky (Default)
From: [personal profile] lascoden
I remember a story in Streets of Gotham about a character who's job was to build these deathtraps for the various villains.

Date: 2012-01-30 01:04 am (UTC)
lascoden: Anarky (Default)
From: [personal profile] lascoden
The Carpenter, yeah. Thanks, couldn't remember her name. I really liked that story.

Date: 2012-01-30 12:53 am (UTC)
omnipotent: (Sippy)
From: [personal profile] omnipotent
This was a good book, but the art really killed it for me. I also had a hard time figuring out how Batman suddenly had scallops on his boots . . . that seems like it would be a bit impractical, at least moreso than the arm scallops, anyway.

Also: "Language, Robin."

I'm a huge DCAU fan.

Date: 2012-01-30 01:02 am (UTC)
omnipotent: (And where is the Batman?)
From: [personal profile] omnipotent
The art seems like it was rushed, or at least in my opinion, has a very hurried-like quality to it . . . of course, that could simply be the artist's drawing style? LOL.

Date: 2012-01-30 01:44 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Ah, I miss good deathtraps :)

Date: 2012-01-30 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] katiemandel98
I love page two of these scans. The face Batman's making as he's being squished against the windshield made me laugh. Joker can somehow pull off a mid-air heal clicking and his face just looks crazy funny too. I also like the detail on the mallet of the cartoon-like Batman head. I'm glad he got out of that one though, I'm getting claustrophobic just thinking about it. I also like the scene of Poison Ivy wearing a banker cap. I agree about the art, it does look...off. Thanks for posting!

Date: 2012-01-30 02:15 am (UTC)
superfangirl1: (Default)
From: [personal profile] superfangirl1
Thanks for posting this and batman fighting a tentacle monster made my day. <3

Date: 2012-01-30 02:17 am (UTC)
domino_blue: (Default)
From: [personal profile] domino_blue
the Art is Dean Haspiel he's a artist while good has a very unique style, it's not so much rushed because take a look at the sequence in the house it takes time to make a layout like that and put thought on how to present it. His art is better suited at times to more less mainstream work. Check out his work on The Quiter with Harvey Peakar, really great Black and White Art.

Date: 2012-01-30 03:03 am (UTC)
cypherfdp: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
"Well, doesn't that seem a little... Crazy to you?"

"Robin, we fought the Joker like last week."

Date: 2012-01-30 04:04 am (UTC)
pyrotwilight: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Ivy budgeting is just so great somehow.

Date: 2012-01-30 09:20 am (UTC)
runespoor: 8-year old bruce looking creepily calm, with the quote "what makes you think I was alone". (the lesson is always canon)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
I'm not a fan of the relationships in BTAS, but damn if this isn't a perfect Batman and a very fun story. Batman advising Scarecrow he should design amusement park rides! I'd probably get very annoyed with Batman if he was always written like that, but for one series it's very awesome. (...course the issue with that is that it's not unknown for meds to subdue one's "creative soul".) There was something else I wanted to say but my mind left on the tangent of Bruce knowing about mentally unbalanced (but of course it's not like he's getting help for it either but even then meds might be bad enough for him to forego them) etc so I don't remember what it was.

I disagree about how bad guys have to work at luring Batman in. Any innocent will work just as well. Hell, taking their own henchmen hostages would have the same effect. Getting a child or Robin just works to make Batman angry and hit him right in the blindspot: I'm reminded of the Penguin story by Brubaker where Penguin pointed out that blindspot of his.

Date: 2012-01-30 10:48 am (UTC)
runespoor: 8-year old bruce looking creepily calm, with the quote "what makes you think I was alone". (the lesson is always canon)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
I prefer the interpretation that he's sane, he's VERY sane, he's so incredibly, painfully sane that he's probably closer to knurd.
You'll forgive me, I find that expression, when used in a straight-forward manner, very problematic. Literally, it comes down to the same thing: it's still being mentally unbalanced. To follow your example, knurd is the opposite of drunk. It's not sober. So: unabalanced. (I lack the right words to say the following in a manner that I'm sure won't be offensive. I apologize deeply for that.) Yet at the same time, it denies the nature of its effects. I find it's ableism, at best a fake-out and at worst erasure.

The caveat is that I embrace the parts of canon that have Bruce see Batman and talk to him as though it was a different entity, hearing bats talk to him, and have black-outs concerning things he’s done, all of which happened when he wasn’t wounded or under the influence of substances as far as we know. (I don't embrace it as "thinking it happens regularly" but it's definitely part of my canon-of-choice concerning Bruce.)

I don't want to shut down the discussion of that point, but I wanted to explain why I've come to reject this idea.

As for the relationships in BTAS: mostly I don't like what they've done with Dick and Babs. Nightwing's relationship with Batman in that universe is terribly sad to me, and I was struck, watching the series, how grim Nightwing seemed. The strain between Bruce and Dick never was solved the right way. Then there's the fact that Batgirl is Batman's primary partner (nothing to do with the Bruce/Barbara: I don't care for that in BTAS, but it's not like I see it on screen), which makes Dick's absence all the more conspicuous (why isn't Dick here? because he's hurt and angry). And Dick and Babs' friendship never quite recovers, and that's sad too. There's nothing very tragic or dramatic at all: it's just a kind of brokenness where there used to be none that's depressing to me.

Good point about the guilt.

Date: 2012-01-30 11:50 am (UTC)
runespoor: 8-year old bruce looking creepily calm, with the quote "what makes you think I was alone". (the lesson is always canon)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
To be honest, I was afraid of being ableist and so was also apologizing to people more aware than I am who'd read our discussion.

Yes, it's fiction. And yes, there's probably not a diagnosis that'd fit all the ways Batman's been written in the real world. But that's true for his villains, as well, and I don't see many people disagreeing on calling Joker, Harvey or Scarecrow "crazy" even when people agree they don't fit a real-life definition. (Except for the Joker being saner-than-sane, as well.)

I think it'd be stretching the boundaries of "balance" a bit to make it cover PTSD.

And Batgirl being the primary partner made me wonder where Tim was, rather than Dick
I thought those were school nights. Though that still doesn't explain why Batgirl would be working so much with Batman, I don't think of Batgirl as Batman's sidekick the way Robin is. You're right about BTAS, but I thought they were commonly used in a more general way in fandom to cover all the non-future, Bat-centric series. I still don't like the BTAS relationships proper as much as the comics one, though. I like complicated.

Date: 2012-01-30 01:19 pm (UTC)
runespoor: 8-year old bruce looking creepily calm, with the quote "what makes you think I was alone". (the lesson is always canon)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
Oops. Sorry.

I'll rescind my objection about the Joker but the rest of my point stands.
(Tangent: though I do think a case can be made about how sanity and absence of mental disorder aren't synonymous. Law.com's definition of "insanity" includes this: mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior., emphasis mine. Is Joker currently considered legally sane in comics? Because if he's not, that's not helping the ableism.)

I don't know the Doylist reason for not having Tim in more episodes (maybe he was the Replacement Scrappy?), but at least the Watsonian one makes sense. Oh, I can certainly see Batman do that. But it does strange things to what it means about Babs, imo, it makes her very different from the character in comics canon. Yes, I remember it's an adaptation, but it seems to me like there was more thinking done on Timmy Todd than on how DCAU!Babs is different from comics!Babs. It changes the dynamic of Babs' character a lot. For one, she doesn't get bored or frustrated with Batgirl.

Date: 2012-01-30 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Oh man, comics labouring the point of how insane the Joker is is one of my biggest pet peeves. Because he's not. Most of the time he's not written as even mildly psychotic.

If writers really wanted to give him some sort of realistic diagnosis, they should go for Antisocial personality disorder. And really, even that is more an uneasily medicalised description of a particularly baffling and objectionable type of person rather than a clear cut 'condition.'

Date: 2012-01-30 11:23 pm (UTC)
omnipotent: (Bat romance)
From: [personal profile] omnipotent
Batgirl worked more with Batman in TNBA, I think, because Tim was so much younger and Batman was used to working with a young adult. Also, Babs put the moves on Bruce in TNBA--she made it VERY clear that she wanted a relationship with him. He rebuffed her for a bit, but by Batman Beyond, it's clear that he gave in at some point.

Date: 2012-04-29 07:37 am (UTC)
kraesil: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kraesil
Note to Joker- Next time, don't bother with the windshields.


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