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redorion ([personal profile] redorion) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2009-11-18 11:07 am

Flash: Rebirth #5

4 pages from today's Flash: Rebirth #5 by Johns and Van Sciver.

While chasing Zoom, Wally makes costumes for the group out of the Speed Force:



(Jai is de-powered earlier in this issue and Iris is the new Impulse)

The reason for the retcons:



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[personal profile] raygunjill 2009-11-19 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Then what is so different about Iris, that she has pigtails and hairclips? I don't know how you can read her appearances until now and think she's so contrived compared to Bart.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2009-11-19 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, particularly the ponytails and hairclips, but because they are "contrived cute" rather than because she's a girl.

As I've already said, if they'd taken Jai as a ten year old and dressed him up in an equivalent "love me I'm cute" look like a sailor suit and hat derived costume with the lightning motif, or something out of "Our Gang" I'd think the same thing.

Essentially it comes down to my acceptance of studied cuteness. If you create cute by accident, then it's a joy, but you going to aim for cute deliberately, it has to be done with some sense of heart or it falls flat on it's face and just hits me as "cloying".

The Black Cat's "Batman and Sons" aims for cute, but has a heart as big as all outdoors and so achieves it with seeming effortlessness and is adorable. IMHO

The presentation of Iris as Impulse lacks that sense of heart, it's trying too hard to make me think it's cute, and so it's just... not. If she wins me over with her cuteness, then I'll be as happy as anyone, but this isn't a good start for me.
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[personal profile] raygunjill 2009-11-19 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Pigtails are not contrived, they're a perfectly normal and practical hairstyle for girls. When you have a lot of hair, ponytails are heavy and come out easier. She's not wearing a cutesified outfit, she's wearing the same exact thing Bart wore, only rocking matching hairbands with it. The difference is of perception, little girls are seen as cute by default and judged harsher for it.

Iris doesn't lack heart at all and it sounds like you're taking this one scan completely out of context of the rest of her personality. She's brave and loyal, idolizes Bart and her dad, and is protective of Jai. She wanted to be Impulse not to be cute, but to help people and to stick it to the Justice League who came to lecture Wally about how horrible it was that he was letting his kids come out with him. She's capable of being as good a hero as Bart when he was her age.
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[personal profile] icon_uk 2009-11-19 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Pigtails are not contrived, they're a perfectly normal and practical hairstyle for girls. When you have a lot of hair, ponytails are heavy and come out easier. She's not wearing a cutesified outfit, she's wearing the same exact thing Bart wore, only rocking matching hairbands with it.

And, as in my perception of them as "overcute", your view of them as "rocking" is entirely subjective. :)

The difference is of perception, little girls are seen as cute by default and judged harsher for it.

I judge anything trying too hard to be cute, harshly, the gender genuinely doesn't interest me.

Iris doesn't lack heart at all and it sounds like you're taking this one scan completely out of context of the rest of her personality.

This scan is all I have to base her debut as Impulse on, so of course it's out of context. My apolgies if I hadn't made that clear.

She's brave and loyal, idolizes Bart and her dad, and is protective of Jai. She wanted to be Impulse not to be cute,

I never said she did, I said her appearance was cute.

but to help people and to stick it to the Justice League who came to lecture Wally about how horrible it was that he was letting his kids come out with him. She's capable of being as good a hero as Bart when he was her age.

Then I wish her well, the appearance still looks "off" to me.

Oh, and unless something was said in panel, and given the way her age as yoyoed Lord knows what it is in real terms, she's significantly younger than Bart was when he became Impulse, she appears to be no older than 10, Bart was about 14 going on 15.
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[personal profile] raygunjill 2009-11-19 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
She's a trend setter. Just you wait, in five issues even Damien will be wearing little bats in his hair.