Revealing this whole time he was literally having voices in his head from Palpatine. Though I suppose it was about time to reveal why he turned evil third movie in (and no, I don't think "Luke tried to kill him cause he was already turning evil" is sufficent).
Manipulating, not literally giving him fake mental illness.
Also, I think it's disengenuous to say he's just like Vader. I mean, if they that story today, that would suck too, but novelty aside, revealing terrifying villain was a tragic figure who redeems himself was subversive and interesting. Sad boy villain that from the first second got everyone woobifying him based on zero evidence, turning out to have goodness inside him all along and doing a grand gesture to redeem himself, getting intant forgiveness and conveniently dying (while sucking the face of the woman he abused) is painfully lazy and cheap.
There’s nothing disengenuous about the comparison. If you’re ok with the child murderer who choked his wife and cut off his son’s hand redeeming himself then acting like it’s somehow beyond the pale for Kylo Ren to redeem himself is a bit hypocritical.
What if I also don't buy that Vader lashing out in murderous rage against someone who was denying him something he wanted (a son/apprentice to rule with) redeemed him for his abusive behavior and decades of support of a tyrannical and genocidal regime?
Not that this is just a Star Wars thing- it's not uncommon for a story to go "This guy's been a murderous and abusive monster to everyone he's met for years/decades/centuries, but now they've reconciled with the one person they have a personal connection with, so all is forgiven."
It comes out of the friction of trying to tell a story with both grand and personal stakes, I suppose. See also- Steven Universe and the Diamond Authority.
I find reading about some sad woobie turning to villainy to be ten times more interesting than a "redemption equals death" plot twist for a villain who has almost no backstory. Watch Death Note anime, watch Code Geass if you prefer a protag who is actually a genius than a protag whom the writer wants to portray as a genius, watch Gundam the Origin if you prefer more miliatary action.
I listed DN as an example of medium with woobie villain protagonist, though the series puts much more emphasis on villain than woobie part (Code Geass, Gundam and Black Butler do the opposite).
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Also, I think it's disengenuous to say he's just like Vader. I mean, if they that story today, that would suck too, but novelty aside, revealing terrifying villain was a tragic figure who redeems himself was subversive and interesting. Sad boy villain that from the first second got everyone woobifying him based on zero evidence, turning out to have goodness inside him all along and doing a grand gesture to redeem himself, getting intant forgiveness and conveniently dying (while sucking the face of the woman he abused) is painfully lazy and cheap.
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It comes out of the friction of trying to tell a story with both grand and personal stakes, I suppose. See also- Steven Universe and the Diamond Authority.
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