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This is an interesting case, because this particular Al Jaffee fold-in DIDN'T appear in the June 2013 issue of MAD Magazine. It's got one hell of a punchline, and I can see why MAD wasn't comfortable publishing it.

The only reason we even know these pages exist is because someone accidentally got sent a copy of the original issue, and posted about it online: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3551041





Date: 2013-05-28 11:56 am (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
That is pretty hardcore...but then Al Jaffee has done some pretty biting satire in his time. There was a point when Mad was considered a pretty dangerous and vulgar magazine. I don't find this funny, but I don't think it's actually meant to be, so much as it is meant to be harshly satirical.

Date: 2013-05-28 12:45 pm (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
I've read some of the old MAD archive volumes...it used to be a paragon of the same kind of humour as the Goon Show, of which I am a fan. These days it's more along the lines of something made by Seth McFarlane...cruel, vulgar, pointless, and utterly unfunny.

Having said that, this particular fold-in is at least intelligent and affecting in its' satire.
Edited Date: 2013-05-28 12:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-28 01:13 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
To me, I think it's perhaps exacerbated by the memory of the shooting in Aurora, which took place during a screening of a superhero movie sequel.

Date: 2013-05-30 03:50 am (UTC)
featheredserpent: (Universe Closed Use Rainbow)
From: [personal profile] featheredserpent
You realize, this means the end of the Horse-Drawn Zeppelin!

Date: 2013-05-30 03:56 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
You don't think I'd threaten you with an unloaded banana, do you?

Date: 2013-05-30 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
can that really be considered satire just because he tried to frame it as a joke?

Date: 2013-05-30 07:26 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Yes. And I think he did it well.

Satire actually has nothing necessarily to do with jokes, or with humor. There was a piece done for the Lampoon a long time ago which had the thesis that Kurtzman wanted MAD to be about satire, and Gaines wanted it to be about gags. The piece explains the distinction fairly well.

PS

Date: 2013-05-30 07:26 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I'm curious: in what way do you not think it's satirical, and if it's not, what do you think it is?

Re: PS

Date: 2013-05-30 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I don't see the statement in this that so many others seem to. All this seems to be saying is that things that happen once will happen again. If this is satire then all satire is is phrasing offensive things as lame attempts at humor.

Date: 2013-05-28 03:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
There is something quite witty about the image and the idea of the 'mass shooting' as a 'sequel' that has people sick to their stomachs, given that every time one of these tragedies occurs, we see the same scenes of devastated people and yet the exact same thing happens every time. As someone living in a country with a lot less gun crime, the kind of disconnect between 'a nation at mourning' and one desperately clutching to firearms every time this happens is just genuinely bizarre.

But this just seems a little bit too harsh, somehow.

Date: 2013-05-28 07:29 pm (UTC)
theflames: The Joker best expression. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theflames
Ditto, this pretty much sums up my thoughts on this as well.

Date: 2013-05-28 07:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I think part of my increasing problem with it is that I'm not entirely sure what it's meant to be attacking, or if I can figure out what it *is* attacking, then it almost feels like some sort of commentary on the capability of people to watch violent action movie sequels and yet somehow be revolted when such things happen in real life; Which - if it IS the intent - feels a little bit unfair, in some ways.

Date: 2013-05-28 08:04 pm (UTC)
jkcarrier: me, at my old office (Default)
From: [personal profile] jkcarrier
I think it's meant to be about the U.S.'s failure to do anything meaningful to stop gun violence...and as a result, we're doomed to experience an endless string of "sequels".

Date: 2013-05-28 09:59 pm (UTC)
sianmink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sianmink
Actually gun crime has gone down steadily in the US over the past 20+ years, and violent crime of all sorts has been going down almost as quickly. High-profile mass killings have let the media skew public opinion into actually thinking it's becoming more violent when all actual data points clearly show the opposite.

Back on topic, I can see why they didn't publish that backcover, but it sure would have been gutsy if they had.

Date: 2013-05-29 03:49 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (cherry pie)
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
I think it's meant to be about the U.S.'s failure to do anything meaningful to stop gun violence...and as a result, we're doomed to experience an endless string of "sequels".

I agree. What strikes me most about these mass shootings is after the first few seconds of surprise (not shock anymore), I feel kind of resigned: shooting, killing/capture of the shooter (usually a lone shooter), the grieving of the loved ones, the candlelight vigils and the debates over gun control, the fading of the event until the next: rinse, repeat.

Look at how the gun lobby is fighting hard not to pass even the minimal restrictions. Everyone said after Newtown something would be done, but nothing will. Sorry for the cynicism, but mass shootings have been going on for generations now and not a thing has been done to stop them.

Date: 2013-05-30 07:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I don't think you can be too harsh where this subject is concerned. We're talking about people just going to see a movie being murdered because some crazy bastard was easily able to get a combat weapon in his hands. I'd say that when the facts are harsh, you should speak of them harshly.

Date: 2013-05-29 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that overall gun violence (and violent crime in general) is down in the United States, while the rate mass killings are showing up seems to be rising?

The really scary thing is that nobody knows why this is happening. Every mass-killer seems to have his/her own reasons for attacking a large group of people.

Date: 2013-06-01 03:40 am (UTC)
theonegalen: Batman. The World's Greatest Detective. (angry)
From: [personal profile] theonegalen
I think it's weird.

Date: 2013-05-29 06:24 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: Chaud thinking "No way!" (WTF?)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
Oh... ummm.. uh... yeah... not funny...

Date: 2013-05-29 11:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
My thoughts exactly. At first I was rolling my eyes at the 'hehe sequels suck' joke, then feeling pretty sick at the 'hehe mass shooting' joke.

Date: 2013-05-30 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] yvonmukluk
It's not meant to be a joke.

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