Avengers #18

[lordultimus]

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[locuatico]

Subtlety. Thy name is Jason Aaron.

[simiansyndicate]

What the hell have they done with Phil? #NotMyCoulson

[cainofdreaming]

So, whatever happened to the Hickman version of Squadron Supreme?

[scorntx]

-"One day on the job and your squadron are already America's favorite new heroes"-

Marvel Comics Americans Fickle, Stupid, Easily Duped.
Other breaking news: Water, wet!


(Guess Mephisto doesn't have the heart to tell Not!Phil that he doesn't need to brainwash the Squadron to have them fight the Avengers.
"Taking away that determined expression would be like kicking a puppy into the sun. I may be terribly evil and petty, but there are certain things even I won't do.
If only to maintain my street cred.")

[bruinsfan]

Sold his soul for the cure for male pattern baldness?

[zachbeacon]

Quick, someone put Zarda on the Supreme Court.

[bruinsfan]

To be fair, by this point they probably all zone out into a suggestible trance if they're at a track meet and an official pulls out a stopwatch.

[deh_tommy]

Pardon my ignorance, but might I ask: how did Mephisto get out of Las Vegas? Shouldn't Johnny Blaze have all his power? Wasn't there an issue where he fought Captain Marvel recently? Is this Squadron Supreme brainwashed or are they robots?

[lordultimus]

Mephisto has been around doing his thing all this time, but a recent solicitation for Avengers shows Johnny is still King of Hell, so presumably Aaron is going to answer this.

The Squadron is brainwashed (it's even shown that Coulson has brainwashed his subordinates since they're uncomfortable with controlling American citizens like this), and they have "backstories", but we don't know if they're true, or if they're clones or something.

[silverhammerman]

Every time I see the new Squadron Supreme posted I just think about how much I miss David Walker's sadly short-lived take on Nighthawk.

[akodo_rokku]

I mean he was dead. Presumably Mephisto brought this Phil back to cause trouble.

[long_silence]

I don't think Hickman had his own Squadron Supreme. He introduced his own Hyperion, as well as another Justice League expy team the Great Society

Robinson had a Squadron Supreme made up of multiversal refugees from the whole Incursion crisis (Hickman Hyperion, Squadron Supreme Nighthawk, Great Society Doctor Spectrum, Blur from DP7. And Squadron Sinister Zarda) But they broke up after they got in trouble with SHIELD for killing Namor as revenge for the Illuminati destroying the Great Society's Earth

[lordultimus]

Actually, there was a prophecy during Civil War II that Hyperion and Nighthawk would go to war against one another. Hyperion averts this by disbanding them.

Also, it was Supreme Power Nighthawk.

[long_silence]

Right right Civil War 2. I keep forgetting that was a thing

I just remember everyone giving the team a lot of shit for killing the genocidal terrorist also known as Namor

[crinos]

DC: Okay, today we've released a comic which totally ruins one of your favorite characters by depicting him of committing manslaughter by having a nervous breakdown. Literally nothing produced this week could be as vicious a character assassination.

Marvel: Hold my beer.

[beyondthefringe]

Y'know... I got nothin'.
So what if this latest iteration of the Squadron Supreme is a brainwashed bunch of stooges clearly assembled in a shadowy government facility, based on the Avengers files of the real thing?

There have been so many versions of the Squadron that one more shitty iteration doesn't add anything new, and if they all get wiped out, it won't be a loss.

What would be interesting is if they were all existing superhumans who had been kidnapped and altered to fit the roles. Like "Hyperion" is really Sentry, "Zarda" is Thundra, and so forth. And then they break free and kick the shit out of "Coulson" who turns out to be... fuck, I dunno, take your pick, and Mephisto.

[thanekos]

The Overmind in a track coach's outfit, clicking his stopwatch and feeling really disappointed.

[gnarll]

Different Hyperion. This one is an Eternal, that one was an Alien.

[gnarll]

My takeaway: So Vision is freaky in bed? Who'd have guessed?

[ap0cryphal]

Going by the scans alone, it's certainly a bit odd to see caulson in the gyrich role.

[commodus]

Hey, it's my man Mephisto! You'd think the ruler of Hell would at least dress up a little for a formal dinner.

[crinos]

Well he's got that same feathered shoulder thing Sabertooth had in that one costume.

(I could never tell if all that fur was the costume or was actually Creed. Of course in this case I think its Mephisto. I mean what do you even call that? A shoulder Beard? I don't know but I kind of want to grow one now. Somehow.... I mean I'm already kind of hair back there but not that much.)

Also, damn that is a huge ass Ham. Coulson went all out for this dinner date.

[lordultimus]

In fairness, they'd do the same thing if they killed literally anyone. Also, they destroyed Atlantis.

[arilou_skiff]

A mane?

[crinos]

I thought a man surrounded the entire head.

*Checks* Okay, apparently a Mane is hair on the neck, not on the shoulder. But I guess for our purposes here it can be a mane.

[featheredserpent]

You owe me a new screen for that.

[mastermahan]

This feels like commentary about DC's forced Superman/Wonder Woman pairing.

And has someone made a "Marvel's Agents of Satan" joke yet?

[broblawsky]

Everyone seems to be just ignoring Damnation, just like they ignore every other consequence and spin-off of Secret Empire. This is probably a good idea.

[deh_tommy]

...when? Mark Waid and Ta-Nehisi Coates' runs on Captain America have been about Steve Rogers in a post-Secret Empire world, and, as shown in a previous issue, Johnny Blaze is still King of Mephisto's Hell. Besides, what was wrong with Damnation, might I ask?

[deh_tommy]

Where'd you take that away from?

[lordultimus]

From the issue not seen in the scans. Coulson has video's of celebrities' private lives he uses to brainwash.

[thehood]

So are these an entirely new version of the Squadron Supreme?

[thehood]

To be fair, he's not the ruler of hell currently.

[thehood]

I don't think people care about the Squadron Supreme as much as they care about Wally.

Plus these seem to be a new version of the Squadron.

[thehood]

Johnny is still king of Hell, but Mephisto is free. He was recently in Champions and made a bargain with Miles Morales.

[thehood]

Mephisto is also showing up in Champions.

[crinos]

I was talking more about Coulson. Who I imagine people do care about. (I mean maybe not as much as Wally, but come on.)

[thehood]

Ah, good point then. Still, i don't think 616 Coulson was as liked as the original.

[lordultimus]

We don't know yet. So far they seem to be, though.