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Regarding the comment thread from yesterday, I felt it was important to post the following.

ETA: "Because this community is meant to be as safe a space for everyone as we can make it and there has been proof of a certain way of thinking that is harmful please read and consider these things that will help make [community profile] scans_daily the best it can be.

We want to reiterate that this post wasn't intended to further chastise or berate [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex personally. As has been stated, the situation was a reminder that anyone is capable of being discriminatory, even when the intent isn't there. Hopefully it serves to make us all aware that an off-handed comment from a position of privilege can be still be hurtful and remind us that we have a diverse community here and for us all to be aware of that."



Hat tip to [personal profile] shemale for sharing this.

For those of you who wonder why anti-oppression is such serious business, it's because for too many of us, the following is a harsh, disturbing, reality.

Warning: Potentially triggering for survivors of assault and abuse.






I can say that hate crime has always been a part of my life and earlier life.

I was beaten by family, in their attempt to beat it out of me.
I was beaten every year at school, every year--it never failed, i got beat up.
And it was because of my gender expression.

But for me, though, the one thing that really stands out for me, as an adult, was here in MARTA. I was coming home from work, and it was a late night, in retail sometimes you have to stay really late at night, and it looked like i was catching the last train around one, one-thirty in the morning.

I was waiting for the last train on the east-bound platform, and a little group of men came up behind me. Now i immediately got nervous, and was like "okayyyy i don't know what their motives are" just in general, you know they looked kind of shifty.

What happened, one of the gentlemen, i guess he found me attractive. So he was trying to approach me to talk to me. Now, keep in mind that he had no problem in the conversation that we had, i was just like "i'm good, i'm in a relationship, i'm okay." And he was just like, you know, he was insistent.

And one of his friends, i guess, felt the need to clue him into the fact that i'm transgender. And he became embarrassed, i guess because he felt like i had publicly duped him. Now keep in mind that i'm rejecting him the whole time!

Then he started screaming things at me on the platform, you know, "you faggot, you tried to trick me" and i'm like "mmmm no i didn't, i'm not interested."

Of course, you know, any kind of crazy, you try to avoid the situation, so i walked away to the other end of the platform. Now keep in mind, i ordinarily would've just left the platform altogether, but i'm thinking this may be the last train and i gotta get on. So i move to the other end of the platform and the young man proceeds to follow me up the platform. Now keep in mind his entire entourage is with him, and i'm just trying to avoid the situation getting worse.

No one, by the way, on the train or on the platform offered to help or tried to tell them to leave me alone; as a matter of fact, people are kind of chuckling.

So the train comes and i faked him out, i went on the train ran out the other door ran back down and tried to get back on. I try to find a seat; it's actually kind of crowded. I was trying to find a seat and i hear the driver say "please don't hold the doors, stop holding the doors, the train cannot move while you're holding the doors". What it actually was, was his friends holding the door for him so he could find me.

I ran like three cars up, i'm thinking i've avoided the situation, i'm good, and he follows me through, along the train, and comes on the train. Now he's running behind me and i don't see him, and then the people around me are like "behind you look out!"

And i turned around and he'd turned his rings around, and he slaps me in the face as hard as he could.

Now he hit me hard enough to where i actually hit the side of the train window, because i was standing. And he left marks in my face, i had ring marks in my face.

Now, the horrible part of it was that i got attacked, but the thing that really sticks out most to me is that, what happened on the train is people began to laugh. No one offered me any assistance, no one said "oh my god are you okay;" people began to laugh.

So in shame, i left the train because i'm like "okay, what am i gonna do." I think, first thing, that i need to call the police. Now i'm thinking that, as the train does finally pull off, that okay, he's accomplished what he wanted to accomplish, i'm good.

As i'm dialing 911 he's coming up the platform toward me. And i'm like "oh god oh god." So i'm talking to the police and i'm making it clear at the payphone that i'm talking to the police and i'm like "yes, i'm reporting an incident and he's walking towards me, he's a black male" and, you know, i'm describing him. And he hears me on the phone, and i guess he gets scared and he runs, it's cool. But i'm talking through the phone and they referred me to the MARTA police.

The MARTA police finally came... Now, i've just gotten attacked, i got laughed at on the train, so a cop comes up. Initially, he's concerned for my well-being. He's like "are you okay ma'am, deh deh-deh deh-deh." So then, out of the blue, he goes "well can i see some ID?"

And i'm like "okay" so i show him my ID. Now keep in mind that this was before i was able to get my name changed and all that stuff, and he goes "oh my god you're a man." And i'm like "noooo, i used to be, but you know not really." And he's like "well um so what did you do to get slapped?" His whole approach changed: "So what did you do to deserve it? Are you sure you weren't trying to hit on him? 'Cause i know i'd knock you out if you were trying to hit on me." Officer, MARTA police officer. And i'm like "no, no sir," and he starts laughing, he thinks it's funny.

Now this female police officer who's with him, she's consoling me she's like "okay, please ignore him, he's ignorant, we're going to file a report". So i'm walking back to the MARTA police station, and this officer thinks it's hilarious, so he proceeds to talk to every man on the platform on the way there: "Are you the one who slapped him? Are you the one who slapped him?" And he's cracking up like it's just so funny to him.

Now i don't know what radio calls were made between the time that he initially met up with me and the time that we got to the station, but when we got to the station all the officers stared at me, and they bust out laughing at me again. Now these are the officers.

And the officer that trapped me, he goes: "before i search you do you have any weapons?" And i'm like "why are you searching me? I'm just here to file a report." He's like, "well any time you come to the police precinct we have the right to search you." And i'm like "um well there is a knife" [laughter] "there is a knife in my purse, but i did not pull it when the man attacked me, it was just there."

So then they get an even bigger smile; only in Atlanta does the victim become the perpetrator, and they just think this is so funny. So he actually threatened to take me to jail because i had a knife.

So they put me in a low holding area and i'm waiting thinking "oh my god i can't believe i just got attacked and now i'm going to go to jail;" i was just completely flabbergasted by it. But in any case, the woman police officer comes in and she goes, "i'm sorry, i'm so sorry you're going through this," and she goes "i want you to file a report of every thing that's going on, and i'm going to take it." No one else had offered to take my report. So she gives me a piece of paper, and i write down everything that had happened all the way up to that second. And she has tears in her eyes, and she's like "i'm so sorry, i can't imagine what you're going through i'm so sorry."

So, hate crimes are those things that, when someone is attacked for being in a perceived group--and that night i was perceived as trans, gay, whatever, and because of that i was attacked, and no one at any point, on the train, on the platform, from the officer, at the precinct, no one offered to help. And that is a hate crime. And i'm here tonight to let you know it happens; it happened here on campus; my friend Annette was attacked here, verbally attacked on this campus and they threatened to shoot her.

And we need to understand that it's borne out of ignorance, and it's condoned by people who have a problem with our lifestyles and they think that it's okay to hurt us.

And at the end of the day, what we do should have no effect on other people. and i think if we leave people alone, to each his own, a lot of this stuff will be avoided.

 
ETA: Links to Read:

-[personal profile] shemale's summary
- Check my what? On privilege and what we can do about it
- The privilege of politeness
- What I learned about tone
- [personal profile] kagome654's reply.
- [personal profile] bean_montag discusses tone argument and the burden of education
- Two-parter! [personal profile] jelly_ace and [personal profile] greenmask discuss how to react when called out
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Date: 2010-02-10 06:11 pm (UTC)
yaseen101: (Default)
From: [personal profile] yaseen101
Good Lord.......

Date: 2010-02-11 03:07 am (UTC)
blakeyrat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] blakeyrat
Good lord is right.

I went back and read the thread yesterday. This community is the most thin-skinned place on the Internet. By an order of magnitude.

Look, people:

1) If your sense of self-worth is affected to any significant degree by something someone types into a chat window on a comic book forum, that is your problem, not theirs. I can't emphasize this point enough.

2) Controlling language does not control thought. Preventing an insensitive person from using a particular word isn't going to turn them into a sensitive person. If you have any doubts on this matter, please read George Orwell's 1984.

3) The Government isn't your mom, or your nanny. Everybody who says "there ought to be a law" is wrong. On the contrary, more laws generally leads to more bureaucracy which generally leads to a less democratic society in general.

4) The world can be a harsh place. I'm sorry, but you're just going to have to cope with that.

And last, but most importantly:

5) Reading the linked topic, I don't believe psychopathicus_rex has done anything wrong, nor did he say anything offensive to the average person. He expressed his honest opinion that he has as much right to express as anybody else.

Here's a short list of people who have something the fuck wrong with them. (Keep in mind, we've established from the linked comment thread that "what the fuck is wrong with you" is perfectly fine idiom to use on this forum):
Snugglebitch
Shemale
Lisaquestions
Kingrockwell, mod hat or no
neo_prodigy, mod hat or no
homo_impetus
schmevil

Comparing psychopathicus_rex's accidental offense of language with a physical act of violence is intellectually dishonest. In fact, it's shot off the scale of intellectually dishonest, ran past apples to oranges, and current lies somewhere in WTF-ville. Were you all not exposed to "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me" in second grade like the rest of us?

Please, mods, go ahead and ban me again. (I got banned for referring to an abstract concept as "retarded." Because obviously that makes me "ableist" against abstract concepts.) I actually relish not being able to talk to this crowd.





Plus there's no scan.

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Date: 2010-02-10 06:15 pm (UTC)
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How can people be like that? It's wrong. How could there be a train full of people without any basic human decency?

Sometimes the world is a sick place.

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Date: 2010-02-10 06:15 pm (UTC)
halialkers: Raven in Blue hood, glowing white eyes, right hand with palm stretched upward (Default)
From: [personal profile] halialkers
Disgusting. On the part of everyone involved except the victim. Especially the police. >.<

Date: 2010-02-10 06:18 pm (UTC)
halialkers: Raven in Blue hood, glowing white eyes, right hand with palm stretched upward (Default)
From: [personal profile] halialkers
I will note that there was *one* decent person in all this. *One.* The female police officer. This just....>.<.......

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Date: 2010-02-10 06:21 pm (UTC)
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I had a clench in my gut, thinking that somehow this was gonna' end with the narrator six feet under, because we all know that happens all the time. >:

I'm glad it didn't, at least in this case.

Date: 2010-02-10 06:50 pm (UTC)
kamino_neko: Tedd from El Goonish Shive. Drawn by Dan Shive, coloured by Kamino Neko. (Default)
From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
That was about the only bad thing I wasn't imagining happening to her (since, obviously, she's sharing it herself)...but being ignored by the cops so the guys came back, or arrested for the knife and beaten for resisting when she complained...

I actually stopped reading the first time I was reading through (just couldn't bring myself to watch the video) when she mentioned the knife, because of the potential bad direction it could have taken... (And I still half wonder if it would have if not for the female cop.)

Date: 2010-02-10 06:21 pm (UTC)
crabby_lioness: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Appalling. But hooray for the lady cop.

Date: 2010-02-10 06:25 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
good lord, that comment thread is like futility in motion on both sides

Date: 2010-02-10 06:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] neuhallidae
Indeed. It's like watching an entire crowd of people beat their heads against a wall.

Date: 2010-02-10 06:27 pm (UTC)
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I'm all for this, but is this really the place for this stuff?

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Thanks for the transcript - I know transcripts generally aren't easy (for most people), but in this case it must have been horrible.

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Date: 2010-02-10 06:40 pm (UTC)
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I'm groping to put that article into context, because calling it "horrible" doesn't seem to be an adequate beginning of a description. Being assaulted would have been bad enough, but what the cops did...that shouldn't happen, ever.

Date: 2010-02-10 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turtlemonkey.livejournal.com
Sorry dude, chiming in with the 'what does this have to do with comics..?' crowd. This is all very sad, ofcourse, but mod or not, this doesn't really.. Have anything to do with comics, and imho, if you're just hiding behind the fact that you're a mod to use this comm as your own personal soap box to vent your unrelated political issues then.. Not cool, dude.

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neuhallidae: (Default)
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I'm kind of floored by all these people who apparently just clicked on the post to see if it had a legality scan in it, since that's all they're able to focus on.

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kagome654: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kagome654
I'm scratching my head and wondering about a few of you. 'Why is this in a comic community?' Uhhh...your clue is the second word, 'community.' We're a group of people with different backgrounds and experiences who come together to discuss things that often relate to our lives. If we are to function as a positive community then we need to be able to understand some of the issues and concepts that are fundamentally important to many of our members. That means that individuals (like myself) who often overlook or underestimate the struggles faced by transgendered individuals may occasionally need a reminder that there are real people behind these issues, real people (including people in this COMMUNITY) who are hurt by off the cuff statements and casual transphobia.

Oddly enough this 'reality check' doesn't damper my enthusiasm for comics at all. In fact, I'm quite happy to belong to a community that cares about comics and about its members.

Date: 2010-02-10 07:25 pm (UTC)
cleome45: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cleome45
<3

Can I be you when I grow up?

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No. Not community at all.

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phosfate: (Default)
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This is an awesome bit of modding. Thank you.

I missed the previous thread, and I'm really, really glad.

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3goodtimes: (Default)
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Thank you for posting this.

This was excellently handled by the mods.

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goblinthebamf: bamf (Default)
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thank you, mods. I love S_D because it is such an inclusive community and appreciate all efforts to keep it that way.

Date: 2010-02-10 08:02 pm (UTC)
pizoxuat: From Hark, a Vagrant #202, Dude Watching With the Brontes, by Kate Beaton. (Default)
From: [personal profile] pizoxuat
A great reminder. When I was younger and dumber, I lost a friend when he started to transition because I mistakenly believed that I had some sort of investment in his identity and I should have a vote over who he is. I've always regretted it and I have learned to take people as they present themselves and love the diversity of the human experience.

Date: 2010-02-10 08:12 pm (UTC)
3_jane: (Default)
From: [personal profile] 3_jane
THANK YOU. This is one of the few communities I belong to where I can count on posters and commenters being respectful of other people's experiences, and on the rare occasion when they're not, we discuss what's happening in a rational manner. We couldn't do it without you and the other mods: and, good Maud, I don't envy you the job. Excellent bit of work here (and you too, [personal profile] shemale, because I can't imagine transcribing that without needing a little something extra in my coffee).

Date: 2010-02-10 08:43 pm (UTC)
bean_montag: Monica Rameau (ytilaer@LJ)
From: [personal profile] bean_montag
I can't believe how clueless some of the members here are, especially with this "tone argument" BS.

This is a good post and you should feel good, etc.

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bluejaybirdie: stylized Robin!Steph (Default)
From: [personal profile] bluejaybirdie
Thank you very much. Those of us who are GLBT very much appreciate all of you who make this community a safe place for us. It's wonderful to have a space where you can squee about Babs/Dinah or Ted/Booster without getting f*ggot and the like thrown at you :)

Date: 2010-02-10 09:11 pm (UTC)
suzene: (Luff!)
From: [personal profile] suzene
So much motto. No comm is perfect, but the fact that I can safely fangirl over the characters I identify with is one of the things I appreciate about this place.

Date: 2010-02-10 09:04 pm (UTC)
mynondw: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mynondw
All I can offer right now is a virtual hug. I'm so sorry you were put through such a horrible experience. I am not trans, but I've had friends who were. I value all the painful lessons they taught me. Without that awareness, I would probably be a very different person. :(

Date: 2010-02-10 09:06 pm (UTC)
mynondw: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mynondw
Also, it takes some fucking serious guts to make a post like this. Good for you for having the courage to stand up and tell your story.

Date: 2010-02-10 09:07 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I'd like to add my wholehearted agreement to that comment.

Date: 2010-02-10 09:07 pm (UTC)
suzene: (Cynosure)
From: [personal profile] suzene
That was highly uncomfortable to read, but there's no way it couldn't be. Thank you for posting it, to the mod team for taking this seriously, and to [personal profile] shemale for the transcription.

Date: 2010-02-10 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] saralakali
May I also thank you for providing this post and the link to where things went arwy (if you'll forgive my understatement) in the prior post?

Date: 2010-02-10 09:18 pm (UTC)
rainspirit: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Is it even possible to have a dissenting opinion about this post without getting attacked?

Date: 2010-02-10 09:25 pm (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
frankly, i think this post could have been formatted better

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While I'm not very political it makes me happy to hear that you guys are taking care of your members who have just been offended or hurt. I don't post much but I'm glad I can be part of such a nice community.

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It is nice, isn't it! :]!

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