Justice League of America #1

[superboyprime]

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[shadowpsykie]

hmmm.... this could be interesting.... i don't see this team staying with the government for too long.... but it is definately interesting...

[darkknightjrk]

Especially considering what Waller has up her sleeve, I wouldn't be surprised if the JLA become their own entities or get their previous masters out of power by the end of Trinity War.

[shadowpsykie]

indeed. i would like for this team to stay, or incorporate into the other team. eitehr way.... potential

[shingi70]

Nah most of the reason these guys have joined is because certain things the government can do PR has on them.

Good week between this JL and Vibe.

Guessing Johns is going to do Stargirl + Vibe and Trevor + Catwoman.

Also hope someone posts scans from Vibe.

[darkknightjrk]

What do you mean he's going to "do" "Stargirl + Vibe and Trevor + Catwoman?"

[shingi70]

Just guessing, It was speculated early on that Catwoman was going to be Trevor's rebound so to speak. The Vibe + Stargirl is another I could see as apart of the whole JLA PR stunt.

Has the current hawk man book explained why he's killing innocents?

[darkknightjrk]

Oh, couplings! Okay. I could definitely see that. Though I wouldn't be surprised if there's some tension with either Hawkman or, if Johns is really into something out-of-left-field, Martian Manhunter.

As for Hawkman, I don't know. The likes of Tony Daniel and Liefeld as writers made me avoid that book like the plague.

[darkknightjrk]

Mostly set-up, but interesting set-up. Keen to see what happens next. :)

[dewinged]

Is it bad that I really want Vibe to survive/succeed?

[shingi70]

No it was the best book I read this week.

[dewinged]

Oh, right, he has his own book too. There any scans posted yet?

I hope his series does, too, but I do mean the character in general. I always thought he got a raw deal the first time around.

[darkknightjrk]

Not at all--he seems to have a really interesting power-set, character and mission right now.

[fungo_squiggly]

Wait, so he just GAVE the kid the Snickers he stole?

Dammit, Vibe! Thanks to your permissive super-heroing, that little punk will probably grow up to be some kind of candy-themed supervillain.

The M&Murderer, perhaps. Or a member of the Reese's Peanut Butter Crips.

[icon_uk]

Though in fairness he didn't just give it to him, he bought it for him. The kid will hopefully learn from such generosi... you know what? Screw it, I want to see the M&Murderer!

[silverhammerman]

Is that supposed to be Amanda Waller? Boy did the reboot do a number on her, she just looks so generic now.
What's up with Hawkman though? I didn't read Hawkman and I don't know what state the character is in after Liefeld got his hands on him.
Stargirl is cool though. I feel like maybe she works better as a legacy character, but I guess it depends on how they work her backstory.
I also like the idea of establishing Steve Trevor as his own character, I mean, it could slip into the territory of making him an ersatz Nick Fury, but he's been a weak character for so long at this point that anything would be an improvement.

[shingi70]

Well that's what have been doing so far. His appearances in the DCU so far have been very Nick Fury like.

[filthysize]

Like most of the New 52, Hawkman started with them not bothering to establish the new status quo and just had Hawkman randomly punching villains. At least when Liefeld took over, he wrote an origin for #0. Katar Hol is now a fugitive from Thanagar blamed for the death of the royal family he was adopted into. He's hiding on Earth as regular human Carter Hall, and Shayera is his step-sister who chased after him to avenge her father.

[stillanerd]

What I found unintentionally hilarious (and what's not shown here) is that one of the reasons Amanda Waller decides to form the Justice League of America, and ultimately gets Steve Trevor on board is, because of Superman and Wonder Woman hooking up. Thus once again, even though DC has been going out of their way to ship Superman and Wonder Woman, Geoff Johns--the very guy who made them an item in the first place--is flat out saying it's making things a whole lot worse for everybody. Yeah, their romance is certainly not going to last beyond the Trinity War, folks. Heck, Johns might as well have titled this comic "Super Cockblockers" because that's essentially what this incarnation of the Justice League of America's primary mission really is.

[shingi70]

Didn't Johns say that last year during the Justice League International Annual. Future Booster Gold comes and warns present day about having to stop superman and womdermoman before both are thrown through time.

[stillanerd]

Yep. He's just reinforcing it here.

[darkknightjrk]

I have a feeling that what we might infer from that is meant to be a red herring, though. Superman and Wonder Woman hooking up is not going to cause problems in the DCU--it's going to be people overreacting to it.

[jaybee3]

I don't think Johns is in love (so to speak) with Supes/WW. It's almost certainly not his idea. He wrote Lois/Clark very well in his various Superman runs and he's the one (along with his mentor, Richard Donner) who actually gave them a kid! The whole Superman/WW thing seems to be coming from Didio and Lee. Johns is a pro - even as he was trying (along with Mark Waid) to talk Didio out of killing Nightwing off in Infinite Crisis he was completely prepared to do it if Didio didn't relent. Likewise, he was the one who killed off Superboy who is probably his favorite character. Johns will do the job (even if he is COO) but it seems (IMO) he's not a huge fan of it.

[arbre_rieur]

In Wonder Woman's own book, Azzarello hasn't mentioned the Superman/Wonder Woman relationship at all, which I doubt would be the case if the pairing was an editorial edict.

I don't see why it wouldn't be Johns' idea. Most people think he wrote a good Wally West, yet he also decided to bring back Barry. And the pairing is likely meant to be temporary anyway, so it wouldn't get in the way of Clark and Lois in the long run.

[starwolf_oakley]

So Darkseid’s invasion is going to be the Nu52’s version of Invasion's Gene Bomb? Unless that will be used just for Vibe's origin and not other hoeres.

Hawkman might be just grabbing random human criminals for some purpose back on Thanagar. Interesting.

[darkknightjrk]

"So Darkseid’s invasion is going to be the Nu52’s version of Invasion's Gene Bomb?"

Let's just say that's explained in Vibe #1.

[magusfool]

Hmm... It's an interesting angle, except that it's kind of a rehash of the plot from the Nu52 Justice League International. Admittedly, it sucked, so maybe they can do better with it, here

My biggest gripe is the idea that Ollie Queen would join a government run super-hero team. I mean New!Ollie has none of the character depth the original had. But it still just "feels" wrong, somehow.

[onceaskrull]

Man do I miss the old Ollie. And the beard, I can't believe how much I miss something that I made fun of endlessly.

[magusfool]

Hey, man that bear's awesome... Admittedly, I may be biased, seeing as I sport a similar one myself...

And, I may also be biased, but I think old!Ollie was the single most layered and three-dimensional character in the DCU. Never being a "star" character his various writers from Denny O'Neil to Grell to Dixon to Smith to Winnick were able to continue progressing the character ever-forward. He never needed to be "rebooted" or "reworked" to get back to the character everyone knew.

And, you just couldn't stereotype the guy. On one hand, he's that "liberal" super-hero, but he was constantly at war with his own chauvanism which had been instilled in him since youth. He was just a walking mess of contradictions, self-loathing combined with utter bravado, loyalty and capriciousness, stalwart but hot-headed, disciplined and methodical yet incredibly impulsive... The way Smith and on had him kind of lax with his identity, keeping it from the wrong people but not too concerned with individuals knowing who he is... the way his no-killing rule was flexible in a very sane way (not a psychotic vigilante like Punisher, but not pathologically averse to killing like Batman). Nothing about Ollie was black or white, he was just a million shades of gray. Again, I may be biased... I've read every Green Arrow comic ever published up until somewhere early in JT Krul's run where I threw up my hands in utter frustration and gave up.

[thosefew]

Really DC? You're going to invoke raising the Flag on Iwo Jima but alter the pose so Catwoman is leaning further forward? Where is her other arm?

Someone Hawkeye Initiative this shit.

[big_daddy_d]

I know I bring this up a lot but..goddammit this new 52 Green Arrow is pretty much Roy Harper in all things but name and wealth! This version of Justice League is right up his alley, yet DC couldn't think of anything besides Cry for Justice?!...

*sigh*

Sorry. Sorry. Really had to get that out.

[red_cyclone]

Is Stargirl older? She'd always been, I don't know, less polished than this one appears? Here she seems at least 18, or drawn that way, less like a young teenager.

[espanolbot]

Lindsey Lohan? Really? No one more contemporary they could have used? Why not stick some Paris Hilton jokes int here as well while you're at it.

[mrstatham]

I don't particularly like the idea of DC invoking 'real life' people, somehow; There always seemed to be some kind of disconnect where DC used stand-ins before even if who they were meant to be was kind of obvious. Using actual people for reference seems more Marvel's style, given they're the ones who dumped Stephen Colbert and others in there.

[espanolbot]

DC kind of has enough trouble keeping track of their own political figures, let alone people in real life. Seriously, how many presidents did the US in the DCU get through in the 1990s alone? Even after the Luthor administration they kind of played fast and loose with the guy changing depending on what issue it was.

Gotham, in comparison, had better luck keeping track of its mayors, though that was mostly in the time period when most of the books that would relate to them in some way were being written by the same guys. So when Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker were writing Batman, Gotham Central, Catwoman etc. it lead to a more cohensive city as they could all play off of what was going on in the other ones, if that makes sense.

[perletwo]

So Waller's breasts have doubts about Steve's competence, is what I'm getting from the panel right after the Stargirl sequence...?

[bradygirl_12]

Using the Iwo Jima statue pose? Not sure I like that.

Archie's (looks like Comics?) Shop?

Pet peeve: why does Steve have brown hair? BLOND, people, BLOND! ;)

Amanda: *sighs* She has that strained look of someone who lost a lot of weight, so maybe she wasn't always skinny in this Elseworld.

Stargirl is like a cheerful pre-COIE hero. I like that. SO over grimdark heroes!

[junipepper]

Amazing how Catwoman is able to arch her back like that while leaning forward. It takes a lot of upper body strength, which I'm sure is the message we're meant to get out of this image. My, how very... athletic.

Hmm. Especially as she seems to have only one arm.



Iwo Jima. Just -- wrong on so many levels.