The List (Aka: Hal Jordan has no friends)
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A while ago I posted Neil Gaiman's 'Green Lantern/Superman: Legend of the Green Flame'. I prefaced the entry by saying it was a continuation of sorts of an older story known as 'The List' (published in Action Comics Weekly #606). I've finally decided to post part of that story, which depicts a surprisingly vulnerable Hal Jordan and (even more surprising) an uncharacteristically rude Alfred Pennyworth.

First, a little background-
Hal Jordan has just returned from space. He's recently been held captive in another galaxy, is on the outs with his girlfriend, is homeless (his apartment having been destroyed), jobless, directionless and totally miserable. To make matters worse people on Earth seem to be afraid of him.

He decides to contact John. Unfortunately as bad as Hal's life is at the moment...well, poor John's is ten times worse.

I think it was emotionally mature for Hal to realize that he needs support and advice. He could have just as easily decided that he needs to work out his problems alone...which would have lead to a lot of ineffectual angst.
I'm a little less impressed by his lack of judgment when it comes to determining who would be the best to talk to about such things. If you're looking for emotional support and guidance Wayne Manor should NOT be your first stop....

Believe it or not, Bruce let him down easily compared to some...

One of the sequels to this story involved him talking to Dinah about his problems. Apparently someone finally remembered they were actually fairly good friends (which makes his treatment of her in 'Cry for Justice' all the more irritating) and it, unsurprisingly, went a lot better than this. Unfortunately I don't have that issue, so I can't post anything from it.
So, we're off to see everyone's favorite archer (Haha...ha).



...Ouch. Someone remind me why these two are friends again?
Anyway, I really liked this story. I don't mind Johns' characterization of Hal as much as some, but he does seem to have a limited emotional range. He always seems to be either full of righteous indignation, talking like a quippy action hero, or angsting in a very macho sort of way that seems oddly shallow. I miss the occasionally goofy Hal, the who is not embarrassed to be a little vulnerable and emotional and can (and has!) 'weep/ed openly and without shame.'

First, a little background-
Hal Jordan has just returned from space. He's recently been held captive in another galaxy, is on the outs with his girlfriend, is homeless (his apartment having been destroyed), jobless, directionless and totally miserable. To make matters worse people on Earth seem to be afraid of him.

He decides to contact John. Unfortunately as bad as Hal's life is at the moment...well, poor John's is ten times worse.

I think it was emotionally mature for Hal to realize that he needs support and advice. He could have just as easily decided that he needs to work out his problems alone...which would have lead to a lot of ineffectual angst.
I'm a little less impressed by his lack of judgment when it comes to determining who would be the best to talk to about such things. If you're looking for emotional support and guidance Wayne Manor should NOT be your first stop....

Believe it or not, Bruce let him down easily compared to some...

One of the sequels to this story involved him talking to Dinah about his problems. Apparently someone finally remembered they were actually fairly good friends (which makes his treatment of her in 'Cry for Justice' all the more irritating) and it, unsurprisingly, went a lot better than this. Unfortunately I don't have that issue, so I can't post anything from it.
So, we're off to see everyone's favorite archer (Haha...ha).



...Ouch. Someone remind me why these two are friends again?
Anyway, I really liked this story. I don't mind Johns' characterization of Hal as much as some, but he does seem to have a limited emotional range. He always seems to be either full of righteous indignation, talking like a quippy action hero, or angsting in a very macho sort of way that seems oddly shallow. I miss the occasionally goofy Hal, the who is not embarrassed to be a little vulnerable and emotional and can (and has!) 'weep/ed openly and without shame.'
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Date: 2009-06-16 02:12 pm (UTC)I remember Kurt Busiek summerizing Hal post Green Lantern/Green Arrow as a angst ridden, aimless middle age loser. And these scans don't appear much off the mark, yeesh.
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Date: 2009-06-16 02:16 pm (UTC)poor Hal
everyone seems uncharacteristically mean here
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Date: 2009-06-16 07:31 pm (UTC)So Hal had the bad luck to have not died in the Crisis. So they had to darken him. That's when we got alkie Hal. This is around then. Consider that so many of these are treating Hal like an embarrassment; this is a reflection of the editors' view, and also the fans. At the time we LIKED watching these perfect and upright characters degraded. You have to understand, back then they were pompous and had been a long time, and the truth is that the retcons of late are more interesting and better-written than the stories they're trying to recall & restore were. NOW we like the traditional versions, but only because we got so sick of the dark.
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Date: 2009-06-16 11:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-06-17 01:06 am (UTC)A further and less kind view would be that Dc at the time wanted to butch up their heroes. BRAT PACK and a lot of other stuff at the time focused on the gay underpinnings of characters like this in a way that, nowadays, would definitely be considered homophobic. Which was part of a general conversation in comics that began then concerning the sexual undepinnings of superheroes, that has evolved in our time to the wonderfully advanced "context is for the weak" tag.
I thought Pat Mills dealt with this issue much more intelligently in MARSHAL LAW than Rick Veitch did in BP--I'm sorry, but I do think the Midnight Mink is a repulsive character born of Wertham's worst wet dreams, that's more meant as a crude, ugly caricature of gay men(really, more child molesters--I wondered, reading it, if Rick knows the difference) than Batman. Whereas Mills' Batman analogue didn't molest his sidekicks, he harvested them for spare parts, which is much more to the satirical point, never mind that it's not homophobic and still holds up.
Point is, there was a lot of that, and god knows comics boys can be sensitive about that. So, DC, I'll just say it, felt that compared to Marvel their characters that had underpinnings to a quainter and sillier era seemed kind of "gay." Look at a lot of the "darkening" changes after the Crisis in that light and see if a lot of it isn't really based in that general sense. They wanted their characters tougher. So Superman's--well, almost everything, or Hal's ass? Problem number one. (Consider which white GL WAS popular then, Guy Gardner, the Red State Lantern if there ever was one) Also the bare-chested guy wearing wings. And so forth.
And when they did try a gay character? He had to be so flaming he might as well have his name be "Gay Man." Oh wait, they did. Extrano.
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Date: 2009-06-18 08:57 am (UTC)I only know of Extrano through his infamous reputation. I think I'll consider myself lucky.
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Date: 2009-06-18 09:51 am (UTC)Though I might be a bit hard on his name. It's not an atypical DC sort of name for anything "exotic," with names like "Apache Chief."
His Power? Being Fabulous!
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Date: 2009-06-16 07:19 pm (UTC)God damn you, Mike Grell. I am never going to wash that series out of my mind.
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Date: 2009-06-16 04:27 pm (UTC)However, if you're looking to convince yourself that there's always worse than you, it's a good start! :D
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Date: 2009-06-16 05:13 pm (UTC)I mean, even if Hal sucks, you'd think they'd care that John is in deep shit.
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Date: 2009-06-16 05:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-06-16 06:00 pm (UTC)*Though in his defense things had gotten rather...'complicated' by that time
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Date: 2009-06-18 08:49 am (UTC)(Oddly enough it was actually John's idea in the first place, which is kind of surprising given how grounded he usually is).
After exhausting any legal means he could think of to get John out, Hal eventually decided the only thing he could do is bring John his ring and lend him part of his power so he could escape. John not only escaped, but released all the other prisoners as well. In the following weeks he became cozy with the leader of the African Nationalist Resistance, not realizing how extreme certain factions of the group were. Eventually a member that John had released murdered a white official and his wife in their bed. Hal blamed himself, considering himself responsible for all of John's actions at that point.
Superman agreed. He gave Hal a 'courtesy call' and told Hal he either had to deal with John and the entire mess or Superman would. Hal was not impressed. Neither was I, since I thought it would have been better (and less condescending) for Clark to talk to John directly, but eh...he probably wanted to avoid adding to the tension as Nambia and America were already involved in a pretty heavy propaganda war and his presence wouldn't have helped matters.
It's an interesting story (Green Lantern Special #1, written by Owsley). I may have to post it at some point.
Also, I need some John icons...
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Date: 2009-06-16 07:21 pm (UTC)Next: Hal spends sad, drunken hours at Classmates.com.
Also: incredible growing paper! (bottom of last page)
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Date: 2009-06-16 11:14 pm (UTC)Though he could have just used the ring to find Ollie...
Hey, cut the man some slack! He's suffered some serious blows to the head and it has obviously taken a toll on his memory!
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Date: 2009-06-17 12:46 am (UTC)Hmm. I'm rolling that around in my head but it's just not ringing right...I dunno...
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Date: 2009-06-17 12:54 am (UTC)I mean, Bruce is nicer to him than Ollie is. I'm sorry, but as I recall, those two were never good friends. Friendly foils, maybe.
But of course, what it really is, is that, post-Crisis, GA at the time had successfully transitioned to "mature readers" comics, and was profitable. GL, as I mentioned, was on his way out just as much as Barry Allen had been. Hal wasn't cool. Simple as that.
But after the Crisis, there's a lot of "I don't know you, go away" going on among DC characters. Byrne's Superman has a lot of that. It was very much a "go away gramps" attitude, really.
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Date: 2009-06-17 02:43 am (UTC)Hal and Ollie. They love each other. With their fists.
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Date: 2009-06-17 06:53 am (UTC)And this is 1988--VERY fresh off the Crisis.
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Date: 2009-06-17 12:39 pm (UTC)We'd miss grim, robe askew coffee-drinking Bruce, but Hal should just pass them a note in gym class. Do you like me? Yes/No.
I'm surprised Bruce gets up from the desk to show him the door. Versus just letting Alfred do it.
This is all kind of... yeah. I've read it before and it's still kind of... yeah.
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Date: 2009-06-18 08:58 am (UTC)Ha! Poor, lonely Hal.
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