[mod post] Hola!

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

Hey guys. Well, it's been a bit rough, and it's going to be rough for a while yet, but I am so glad that there are so many people here and posting already. I apologize for the delay in pulling together official moderation announcements - the community was already suspended when I woke up, so you can imagine we've been running around a lot behind the scenes trying to pull everything together.

Without further ado:

1) The new rules which we were planning to announce on livejournal, erm, this coming week or thereabouts are now in the community userinfo. There is also an additional FAQ on posting guidelines. No matter how long you've been a member of scans_daily, in whatever capacity, please read both pages carefully, because we're not taking ignorance of the new rules as an excuse from this point forwards.

Because there have been some fairly major changes to the rules along with the obvious server transition, there's a definite possibility of more tweaks in the near future, particularly ones that will protect us from further TOS-ing. We promise to keep you informed.

1a) In particular, please note that we've changed the page limits from half an issue to one third of an issue - that's down from 11 to 7 pages of an average issue, 5 pages for recent comics. (Yeah, yeah, still arbitrary, but possibly more amenable to TPTB.) Check the new rules for more detail. If you've posted here at Insanejournal, we would appreciate it if you'd bring your post in line with the new regs.

2) Just to make sure everyone's clear on this, the mods of this insanejournal comm are myself and schmevil. stubbleupdate has decided to concentrate on noscans_daily, the LJ discussion comm, where you will be seeing me and I believe schmevil as well. So don't bother Stubble about things that happen here ;).

3) Kathleen David has informed me that she and Peter David have been getting a lot of nasty e-mails from s_d members about all this drama. (The account through which PAD originally posted on lj is actually hers.) Look, I know losing the livejournal community was hard - listen, my five year community anniversary just passed, so you certainly don't need to tell me how much this community means to people. Which in turn warms the cockles of my cynical heart, by the way. Even so, there's a lot of blame to be apportioned around to many different people (I don't exclude myself, frankly), and I personally doubt that PAD intended to nuke the entire comm when he made his complaints. There's a lot of scrutiny on us right now and I would appreciate it if you all would remember that what s_d members say at the moment reflects on all of us. Also, making asses of ourselves is totally against the community ethos, etc.

4) Insanejournal comms have a 1000 member cap, so this will not be our permanent home in all likelihood, but we'll try and make it a damn nice hotel. Sounds good? Sounds good.

Comments

[gargoylekitty.insanejournal.com]

Good rule changes. Hopefully things will get better though in the meantime thank you mods for all the work you've been putting in these last 24 hours or so in picking up the pieces. You rock.

[mrdave2176.insanejournal.com]

I can see why you changes certain things, they make sense, but in Rule #5 you reference the "Half an issue" and it should be "a third of an issue"

I know, there's always one.

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

dsghskdfhasldkghnm,s d;ESAF Thanks! XD

[mullon.insanejournal.com]

Looking around I was wondering why you didn't make this a new permanent place. The 1000 cap woul do it though.

[filbypott.insanejournal.com]

The difficulty with tags (they're there but not as easy to use as on LJ) is another reason to look into other venues too, I think.

This is me, using the IJ account I have forgotten for a while

[politicalzombie.insanejournal.com]

Now that Big Fandom has definitely moved to IJ,I will be browsing IJ more.

[kamino_neko.insanejournal.com]

Kathleen David has informed me that she and Peter David have been getting a lot of nasty e-mails from s_d members about all this drama.

I take back what I said to Gail over on schmevil's LJ post about the whole thing...maybe it IS a good idea to make 'common courtesy' an actual rule...

[ar_feiniel_.insanejournal.com]

1000 cap?! That's crazy. Definately can't stay here. Darn. I was rather warming up to using this old IJ account.

[aristoboule.insanejournal.com]

If it's paid/permanent (I think tonight is the last night, perm accounts for $50), then the limit goes up from there. It's a high number or unlimited for perm, I can't remember sorry.

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

Sorry, the number goes up from where?

[aristoboule.insanejournal.com]

Found it! http://www.insanejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=150

Paid or Permanent Accounts have unlimited friends.

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

Oh! Okay. Sadly, I don't think the mod team can look into all the potential pros and cons of IJ and make this place TOS-proof quickly enough to pass the hat around (I don't have $50 to spare on this, guys, sorry!) and buy a permanent account... Hmm. Thanks for finding this out, though. It could still be useful.

[denyer.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)]

Presumably permanent accounts will normally be priced so that people actually buy them occasionally -- if this place sticks around for a while, I'll add to any chipping in, and at a guess enough other people would too. Won't join the comm for now; may as well leave slots for people who actually post content more than once in a blue moon.

[motoe.insanejournal.com]

If all else fails, let me see what my finances are like and what we can get going as far as increasing the member cap.
Barring that, there's still always the feed I made for lj.

[aristoboule.insanejournal.com]

I just noticed something -- one of the bigger icon comms here is a free account, and it's got 1400+ members: embargo.

Maybe ask squeaky and see if it's just a matter of the FAQ not being updated? If you ask, he might just push the limit of members higher than it already is for free (whatever it is -- maybe 2500?).

[tragical_mirth.insanejournal.com]

Here's a thought.

Some of the other communities I'm a part of on LJ require certain things of new members' accounts (for example: a certain comment count, member of other communities, recommendation by current members, etc.). What this does in those communities is prevents assclowns with sockpuppet journals from getting in and trolling, trying to get the comm shut down, or generally causing trouble. It is a terrible amount of work for the mods, though. Still, if people are posting from their real, primary LJ accounts, they're less likely to attempt hit-and-run douchebaggery without fear of consequence both in the current community and others who might hear of it and decide to ban the user for the same asshattery.

[foxhack.insanejournal.com]

That really wouldn't work here because... well, a LOT of new posters didn't have LJ accounts, but lurked, until they got the courage to post new stuff.

A few newbies were posting quality stuff over the past weeks! :(

[tragical_mirth.insanejournal.com]

I know. It was the same in those comms, but they had a lot of trouble, so they had to institute the rule to stay alive. It's not an ideal solution, just an idea.

[greenwitch.insanejournal.com]

Why not encourage folks who don't plan on posting to watch the community versus joining it? I mean, there's nothing you can do to actually prevent it, but those who are considerate might consider leaving the actual community and just watching it instead. Just leave a bolded note somewhere in the userinfo.

Also -- is that really a 1000 friend-cap, or 1000 community member cap? Because the FAQ someone linked to above specifies journals, not communities.

[wyatt1048.insanejournal.com]

Quick question about the page limits: when posting pages from PTBs, do we use individual issues for counting the maximum number of pages allowed, or is it the overall number of pages?

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

Let me get back to you on that, okay? It's a good question - it used to be the overall number of pages, but given recent events, I'm going to talk to schmevil about whether or not we should consider changing that.

[chaoswolf1982.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)]

Goddamit, LJ, couldn't you have at least given warning or something?

I weep.

[kaetepixie.insanejournal.com]

I'm sorry if this has been recommended elsewhere - but if the community grows again, perhaps you guys might consider eventually adding more mods?

The only reason I suggest so is that situations can snowball so quickly. I *hate* that people are spreading rumors SD was the kind of place where people would throw death threats at comic creators. If you have enough mods that one is constantly "on hand," so to speak, then sometimes you can catch situations like PAD fighting with posters before they spiral out of control.

Absolutely do NOT want to sound like I am blaming mods or anything - you guys give absolutely more than anyone should have to for a volunteer hobby! But with the new stronger rules in place, it may be easier to keep them going with more people watching.

Just a suggestion, anyway. :) I know it can be annoying as hell to try and find people you can trust with that amount of control, but anything that lifts the load of work for you guys might be good.

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

Oh, we're planning on it as soon as we've gotten stabilized enough to take a breath, look around, and go, "Okay, how do we want to go about finding new mods?" Hopefully we'll work out that process sometime in the next few days, but both the comms and RL are really INSANE right now, so it might take a little bit.

But yes, we don't intend to be just two mods forever. To be honest, while I do think many of the people jumping on us about zomg flamebaity scans_daily don't ... really get what the comm was like, it's also entirely true that it hasn't been as welcoming a place as it used to be, and we've been letting stuff slip - ironically, we were about to roll out new rules that would have helped crack down on a lot of the same drama that led to our suspension.

[pindrops.insanejournal.com]

Have you checked Inksome? It might be agood option.

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

I'll mention that to schmevil, thanks! :)

[unknownscribler.insanejournal.com]

There's a problem - the RSS feed on LJ isn't cutting the images in the posts

[foxhack.insanejournal.com]

That also happens to me on my feed reader, so it's probably an IJ issue.

[unknownscribler.insanejournal.com]

Irritatingly the "new post notification" fucntion that's the only alternative doesn't even include the contents of the post it's notifying you about. Which means post subject lines are going to need to be quite clear about wehat's in the post.

[xdoop.insanejournal.com]

Could we make exceptions to the 1/3 an issue rule, like if the issue is from the 80s or something?

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

No exceptions, Doop.

[foxhack.insanejournal.com]

This new layout... it um... isn't very good. Sorry. ^^;

Not only is the post column way too thin, the fact that you're loading -all the tags- on a sidebar is only going to make it tougher for dialup users to browse the site, not to mention it'll make some Firefox users (like me!) rage at the browser when it freezes because it's loading all those tags and such.

Sorry. >_>

(Any updates on the work I volunteered for, by the way?)

[unknownscribler.insanejournal.com]

Any chance of changing the journal layout? That sidebar obscures images.

[jlbarnett.insanejournal.com]

can I make a point that with the new smaller limit please check out whatever previews there are and don't repost those pages.

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

I think individual posters will have to work that out in their own rights - we don't want to control everything people post.

[jlbarnett.insanejournal.com]

Have the LJ people pulled Scans Daily permanently or is there still a chance it'll come back.

[rabican.insanejournal.com]

When we know, you'll know.

[jekylls_salvation]

Fascinating. Soon after this, schmevil and rubican disappear. Or do they?

Are schmeval and rubican current members, with different usernames? Continuing investigation.