One World Under Doom #1

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[thanekos]

" Yes, I killed Zemo. There is only room for one plausible-sounding egomaniac with parent issues in this story. "

[dan_ingram]

Doom: And Zemo had been written by Spencer. Really, I was doing him a favor.

[scorntx]

On the one hand, a character being unceremoniously killed entirely off-screen is irritating.
On the other, it's post-Brubaker Zemo, so in this case, after everything that's been done with and to him since 2011, dying like a chump is pretty fitting.
And a mercy killing.

(Meanwhile, it's not like Skull or Hydra are going to stay gone for any length of time anyway.)

While Doom riding a T-rex is kind of cool, it also raises questions.
(like, is Doom Rex sentient? If he is, how'd they agree on Doom riding him?)

[donnblake]

Well it would look kind of silly to have Doom Rex ride around on human Doom.

[scorntx]

What, you don't think they could make it work?

[phantomfo]

I think Red Skull has died at least four times already. I think Zemo has died three times. And that's assuming Zemo actually was killed here in the first place.

[scorntx]

Counting instances where characters have stood around saying that this time he's definitely gone for good this time, Red Skull's had at least four goes, yeah.

During DeMatteis' Cap.
Captain America Reborn.
That time in Uncanny Avengers when Magneto smashed his head in with a chunk of masonry.
Just before Secret Empire when Evil Steve arranged his death.

If we count instances where Zemo has fallen to his apparent death, there's at least six times for him.

[cainofdreaming]

Whatever happened with the apparently hidden since WWII real original Red Skull during the Buckybolts run?

[scorntx]

Not entirely sure, but apparently Doom killed original Red Skull back in the last run of Thunderbolts?
(Is that the one you mean?)

[cainofdreaming]

If this leads to the return of Fab's Zemo coming back through time and then slapping everyone for thinking that this pretender was him all will be forgiven.

Well, some will be forgiven.

[thehood]

Even Fab's Zemo wasn't a saint.

[cainofdreaming]

No, but he was an interesting character. Not a one-note Nazi fanboy.

[beyondthefringe]

I do miss the more nuanced Zemo from his Thunderbolts days as well.

[lordnorj]

My headcanon is that Zemo got bodyjacked by his father's ghost.

[scorntx]

My not-entirely-serious headcanon is shortly after Born Better, his loony relative knocked him out and stashed him in a cupboard somewhere, and has been pretending to be Zemo all this time.

[cainofdreaming]

Cupboard which, by coincidence, is the same that houses Cupboard Hitler. If the pretender had known this he'd have voluntarily joined them.

[deh_tommy]

Didn’t the Cosmic Cube retcon him into being Stevil’s best friend? He’s already an impostor Zemo.

[scorntx]

I think Kobik just convinced Stevil they were best friends and he played along with it, for some reason?
Maybe? Not remotely certain.

[gnarll]

Its a Doom variant from a universe where everyone is a dinosaur. Got along better with 616 Doom than most variants.

[numeronone]

Party for Doom
But Doom don't care about me
He just wants the whole world
Under his heel

Party for Doom
But Doom don't care about me
I should have realised
He'll do as he please

[iamrman]

Doom gives the world universal healthcare? The monster!

[scorntx]

And universal education! The fiend!

[beyondthefringe]

I for one welcome our new Latverian overlord.

I mean seriously, he may be an egomaniacal totalitarian but you know what? At least he wants what's best for his people. So what if he doesn't tolerate dissention? Doom oppresses everyone equally and is honest about it.

[mazway_75]

I like how the heroes are convinced the world leaders are "under a spell" to help Doom and then realize nope, this is just him being smart to play them all.

[cainofdreaming]

They're Marvel government types. You don't really need to be smart to yell "Look a superhero! At 'em!".

[numeronone]

Marvel USA has awarded the Red Skull and the Green Goblin extremely high executive power on two separate occasions. This could be a step up.

[dan_ingram]

To be fair, they didn't know it was Red Skull at the time. Although he was confirmed by the Senate, so WTF there?

[cainofdreaming]

Apparently no one there does anagrams.

[jlbarnett]

the biggest issue for government types agreeing to work with Doom, is he has successfully pulled off conquest at least twice. He loses interest

[gnarll]

Honestly, Doom is looking pretty good here. Seems like a step up from the normal state of the world.

[zachbeacon]

"Of course I killed Zemo, he took over the world once. And then Counter Earth. He regularly humiliates the Avengers. I don't need that kind of competition."

[scorntx]

Didn't Doom take over Counter-Earth himself?
Clearly there is no statue of limitations for touching Doom's stuff.

[knight_moves]

Have there been superheroes in the Marvel Universe for decades plural? I thought we were like ten years distant from the FF being formed. Maybe a little more. And I seem to recall some attempt to have a 'lost generation' of superheroes in the ever-growing gap between WW2 and the Modern Age (most famously fifties Captain America), but who even knows if that's still in continuity?

Anyway, I'm surprised they're not calling this Secret Empire 2: Now With Doctor Doom.

[thanekos]

They can't call it Secret Empire 2 before they call it Emperor Doom 2.

[cainofdreaming]

Why not both? Secret Empire Emperor Doom Toot Toot.

[deh_tommy]

Wouldn’t it be Secret Empire 3?

[bruinsfan]

Franklin Richards is depicted as around 16 or so these days, and he would have been born more than a year after the FF went public.

[deh_tommy]

Wait, didn’t the Red Skull die already back in Nick Spencer’s run up to Secret Empire?

[cyberghostface]

That was his clone iirc.

[zylly]

If this had come out a few months ago, I’d be having a different reaction, but at this point with the -waves hands- everything, Doom would be a step up.