Crime Syndicate vs. the SSoSV !

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

My personal fav. appearance by CSA !








The Wizards presentation would have much more impact in Powerpoint.

Comments

[jlbarnett.insanejournal.com]

I didn't notice the "hey you two" part when Power Ring first spoke. It almost looked like he was telling the narrator to shut up.

[pyrotwilight.insanejournal.com]

Murdering Minerva! I wanna see Gail have Superwoman pop up in Wonderwoman. That'd be a fun story.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Yes, it would be cause her character is in serious fowl up. She is an amazon, yet Lois Lane. She is an Amazon, yet she can fly and has heat vision. Would love to see it all laid (whoops did I write that or just think it) out.

[demonprawn.insanejournal.com]

I love SuperWoman and she would make the perfect Wonder Woman rogue, but something I never understood. Is she Evil Diana posing as Lois Lane in her world or, Lois Lane who is and evil Amazon?

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Well...currently there are at least 2 versions of the character around. so it is kinda vauge.

[jlbarnett.insanejournal.com]

Except they haven't really had the Earth-3 one do anything yet.

It's like when she shows up in anything with the League she's an evil Diana named Lois Lane. When she's in anything with only Superman she's an evil Lois Lane with powers.

So she's either a Diana who killed Lois and took her identity or possibly she was the head of an invasion, Lois conned her, then killed her and maybe her powers were only in her weapons so she could steal them

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

For instance Ultrman is an Earth astronaut who had an encounter with Kryptonite and gained powers (thus exposure to the stuff only makes him stronger) and he is NOT Kryptonian. So Superwoman is anyone's guess.

[pyrotwilight.insanejournal.com]

I think he was experimented on by Kryptonians.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Hmmm, here what the wiki page says

"Born as the son of Jur-Ll (versus Superman's father, Jor-EL) in the Pre-Crisis reality termed "Earth-Three", Ultraman was the Kryptonian who grew up on the reversed Earth of that reality, and later as an adult became a member of the criminal organization the Crime Syndicate of America. Unlike Superman, the Earth-Three Ultraman gets stronger every time he is exposed to kryptonite, originally developing a completely new superpower with each new exposure. In one such encounter, Ultraman acquired the ability to see through dimensional barriers, thus alerting the Crime Syndicate to the existence of alternate Earths in their first appearance. This allowed the Syndicate to attack the Justice League and Justice Society. Ultraman also differed from Superman in that his version of Krypton had not exploded. Where the Kryptonite came from is unknown."

[buttler.insanejournal.com]

Yeah, the old Ultraman was Kryptonian, but the new one was an Earth astronaut injured and reconstructed by aliens who didn't quite know what they were doing.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

"Murdering Minerva." I like that.

Something though that always made me wonder about Earth-3--this whole "moral cosmology" thing of DC's. I'll just use one example: Power Ring, whose ring works "against justice." I don't want to get into a huge philosophical thing here, but seems to me that begs the question of how "justice" is defined on Earth-3. I realize it's not like Bizarro World where everything is absurdly opposite, but if the country and the world are the way they're described, the concept of "law" and "justice" would be vastly different just on the normal-person level, and perhaps what they do might not be considered crimes. I mean, it makes you start to wonder just how any society would be able to run. (which might be an argument for their being gotten rid of in the Crisis--they represent a very simplistic good-vs-evil view left over from the Silver Age JLA)

I'm thinking of something like DEADWOOD, which despite its sheriff is pretty much a place outside of usual ideas of law, but just the same, these people have to live with each other, and like most would rather be comfortable and make money than kill people, so a different type of order arises anyway.

Also: "Justice" is in the eye of the beholder to a large degree, as are "good" and "evil." So that begs other questions too. Power Ring might consider it very just that he steals Fort Knox with his ring or something(oh wait, though, gold is yellow).

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Well this is a good point. I think of that awful Pocket universe thing where the phamtom zone villains went amok and killed everyone on earth. Thats what an evil superman would probably lead to. Then again I recalled that Group "The Extremists" who were down to their last victim and regretted killing everyone. So the less you think about it the more you enjoy in some cases.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Earth-3 Dr. Light is founder of their Take Back the Night.

[woogledesigns.insanejournal.com]

you are sick and wrong.

funny, but sick and wrong.

[woogledesigns.insanejournal.com]

On earth2- pre Infinite Crisis their world was indeed moral opposites- doing good things was an arrogant vice, being a criminal was normal and just as we think of justice as a good thing, the populace of earth2 thought injustice was normal. Being a 'do gooder' was a vice.

And, accordingly just as the bad guys always loose in mainstream DCU stories- and the structure of the story is always so that, eventually the heroes will come through...

Well if you haven't read it I'm not going to go into any more detail.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Yes I read that Grant Morrison book. Horrid title. I have never understood why Lex Luthor was always the only hero...

[woogledesigns.insanejournal.com]

In the subsequent stories (in JLA classified, Trinity and Superman/Batman) set in that world the heroes are shown to have been crushed. There was an anti-Solomon Grundy, a British Dandy who got his powers by melding into the white cliffs of Dover when they were under nuclear bombardment, as oppose to being buried in slaughter swamp.

[werehawk.insanejournal.com]

I'd love to see the anti-Solomon Grundy and a few pages of Earth-2 from that JLA classified. Hint hint :)

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

So then I guess the question again is: how do they function at all? I mean, robbing implies a value is placed on property, which means there are at least some basic principles. I guess what I'm saying is that crimes against justice only make sense when there's a concept of justice, and robbery only works when there are people and institutions to rob from.

Morrison, who completely accepted the cosmology as previously thought of, elaborated but it still made little sense. If you're not concerned about even the idea of justice, what are cops for? Because you don't have an illusion of safety to preserve. And without the illusion of safety how can any society function for long?

I mean, at the least the CSA would run out of things to rob fairly soon.

[woogledesigns.insanejournal.com]

okay think of it this way:
Justice only has any meaning or value if there is the possibility of a crime.

Now in earth1 you may usually have people behaving in a just way, occasionally being criminal, but these blip being resolved by a system that puts justice first.

In earth2 people are usually criminal and society goes on by being greedy and back stabbing. being just or fair spoils this system, and is corrected by forcing people to go back to being cruel and dishonest.

[buttler.insanejournal.com]

Man, I loved SSOSV. And combined with the CSA? That's seven shades of awesome.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Iwould love to see the title return. The name alone just rocks.

[werehawk.insanejournal.com]

Motto. It had a Manhunter clone (the first), Floronic Man, and the CSA. Just got Super-Team Family 14 (the other SSOSV issue) and it was fantastic.

[woogledesigns.insanejournal.com]

"I hate to trick a fellow female"

Oh Seventies...

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Sisters are doing it for themsleves !

[woogledesigns.insanejournal.com]

Right On.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

SOLID Linc...