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Title: Alpha Flight #106 - "The Walking Wounded" (Marvel, 1992, 22pages)
Creators: Scott Lobdell (writing) and Mark Pacella (art)
Availability: Out of print

So...Northstar's coming-out issue.

*deep sigh*

Yeeeah. Northstar's coming-out issue...about that...



There's been a lot said about this comic. Little of it has been complimentary, and with good reason. Was it well-intentioned? I think so. One can even make the case that it was a necessary first step, stumbling and clumsy as the execution turned out. But is it a good comic? Does it stand the test of time? No. Nononono. No.

Lord, where to start?

First, there's the stiff, heavy-handed dialogue, delivered with all the nuance of a sledgehammer to the forebrain. It's a story about a baby dying of AIDS, so its being a downer is expected, but you cannot turn a page of this book without someone wringing their hands over something, and any gravity the subject in question might have is almost totally undermined by the absurdity of the situation. We get Puck, the dwarf who has a literal demon living inside of him, remarking to Northstar about the horrors of AIDS. We also have Heather lamenting all the billions countries spend in the name of defense, but so little on AIDS research, all while standing atop Alpha Flight's spiffy, high-tech HQ, paid for with a few hundred million of those billions. And, of course, Northstar and Major Mapleleaf screaming their opposing POVs on the responsibilities of homosexuals in the public eye while engaged in a wall-shattering brawl that carries them out of a hospital, across a public street, and through a supermarket. That last might have made a great Fry and Laurie sketch, but playing it straight doesn't work so well.

Even aside from the fact that most readers weren't likely to be impressed or enlightened by anvilicious moralizing being pushed on them for pages at a time, AF #106 was simply a pile of bad writing. It would be generous to even describe some sections of dialogue as conversation, as so much of this issue is simply the writer pontificating on social issues while using the characters as mouthpieces. (And this was a problem Northstar was going to run into a lot following his coming out.) The writing reduces the book a nothing more than a fight scene held in place by the comic's own sense of self-importance, resulting in a story that takes itself so seriously with so little good reason that the only entertainment value to be found in its pages is of the point-and-laugh variety.

Then there's the art. I don't think I have adequate vocabulary to describe all of the anatomical fail going on below. Looking at these pages, you could assume that the artist had never seen adult human beings -- let alone children -- and was just working off of Rob Liefeld's written descriptions of how people are put together.

In addition to this being a bad story told badly with bad visuals, there was also the not-insignificant issue of the cast seeming to have left their common sense and typical personalities in their other pants. Social Services up in Canada are presumably in the habit of awarding guardianship of critically ill children to imperious adrenaline-junkies in spandex. The proper response to having just thrashed the man who was about to crush your adopted child with his bare hands is to drop to your knees in the street and give the would-be-killer a hug after bonding over the plight of homosexuals. And, of course, the rightful place of a man who's just caused millions of dollars in damage and endangered dozens of hospital patients in his drunken, grief-stricken rampage isn't a well-guarded cell, but standing at the bedside of the child he was cheerfully prepared to murder as she passes on.

You get the idea -- this is a ridiculous, steroid-pumped After School Special in comic form.

That said, there was one bit of plausible characterization in there, and that's Northstar's willingness to take responsibility for an abandoned child, since he was in the position of being unwanted and alone as a child himself, until someone who had no obligation to care for him took him in. I don't agree entirely with the portrayal -- I think Northstar is way too heart-on-his-sleeve here -- but he is capable of more empathy than his team tends to give him credit for, and I can buy him stepping up to be a guardian to a dying kid, even if the only thing he could ultimately do for her was give her a name to be buried under after her family threw her away.

And so, by request:

Mr. Hyde is making nuisance of himself in Toronto. During the fight, Northstar gets swatted away from the main battle and into a side alley.













Gee, thanks "Uncle Walter". The kid's already dying, you think she needs nightmares on top of that?

*insert one long, ridiculous fight scene that's been rightfully mocked to death for the last twenty years*

And, eventually, the inevitable:



There you go, [personal profile] dorksidefiker. Hope I didn't just replace one bad taste with another. ;)

Date: 2010-06-17 11:22 am (UTC)
nonners: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nonners
Wait, this is his coming out issue? Does he come out earlier/later in the issue or something?

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Date: 2010-06-17 11:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
That actually looks pretty accurate, newborn baby-wise. They aren't pretty creatures.


Not that everything else isn't carrying artfail. But that last scene was sweet, despite reminding me of Sweeney Todd.

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Date: 2010-06-17 12:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] supergirl
... so well-intentioned, but so horrible.

Date: 2010-06-17 12:19 pm (UTC)
squirle: (Default)
From: [personal profile] squirle
Not nearly the biggest problem with this issue, but... is Puck SMOKING in a HOSPITAL?

Date: 2010-06-17 10:14 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Look closer. That's his coffee.

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Date: 2010-06-17 12:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Puck, the dwarf who has a literal demon living inside of him

One of the worst retcons ever. IMO, the problems with Alpha Flight began just as soon as Byrne left the title.

Date: 2010-06-17 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
One of the worst retcons ever

Motto....

Date: 2010-06-17 10:15 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
>the problems with [fill in title] began just as soon as Byrne left the title.

Seriously, one of the only comics that you could ever say this sentence about. Maybe X-Men and FF too.

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Date: 2010-06-18 03:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
If you were female in Alpha Flight, your problems began when Byrne started writing. Seriously, the female characters he didn't maul have been few and far between.

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Date: 2010-06-17 12:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] geooco.blogspot.com
My eyes! The art! It BURNS!

Date: 2010-06-17 10:15 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
It's sharp and spiky and sticks in my eyes.

Date: 2010-06-17 01:01 pm (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
Just horrific. Most fans knew that JP was gay by this point, and I question the 'well intentioned' theory, unless by 'well intentioned' one means Marvel saw a way to make some money without wasting any artistic talent.
Still, Northstar, rarely used as he is, IS one of the few gay male superheroes, and is awesome just for holding that place in comic book history.

Date: 2010-06-17 04:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] janegray
Most fans knew that JP was gay by this point

On the other hand, "most fans know" =/= "canon".

Frankly, the whole "it's heavily implied that character X is gay, but they'll never say it so they don't scare the fanboys away" thing always annoys the hell out of me.

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Date: 2010-06-18 03:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
IIRC it was written up by a new writer who had just come on board as a filler issue. He used the pre-existing groundwork and hadn't had the time to really get into the characters' heads. He was a bit surprised when they used it so soon, but it was the only filler issue they had when they needed one, so they went with it.

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Date: 2010-06-17 01:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sianmink
Holy Galactus that Sasquatch plush is HORRIFIC.

Date: 2010-06-17 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverzeo
I sure it can be consider cute in real life... like a Mewtwo Plush...

Date: 2010-06-17 03:04 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
I don't want to sound like a insensitive jerk, but... was that really a problem back then? People dumping babies in the trash? I can understand that they would put them there in hopes to find someone to take them in and the end result was that, but was that happening nation wide? It seems as dangerous as kids riding in dryers.

Date: 2010-06-17 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The sort of parent who would do that to a child is usually one who is too distraught to be capable of rational judgement. It's not incredibly common, but it happened and still happens.

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Date: 2010-06-17 03:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] his-spiffyness.livejournal.com
The even greater crime was that Marvel let Scott Lobdell write Alpha Flight for a second time. The result was the excruciatingly unfunny volume three.

Date: 2010-06-17 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.livejournal.com
The important thing to keep in mind here was that Northstar had been written as... well... somewhat vaguely effeminate ever since his introduction. However, Byrne, never really interested in telling that story, just had it be somewhere way way in the background.

The "Northstar is confirmed gay" story was written up and scheduled by another writer who came on Alpha Flight after JB left. I want to say Bill Mantlo, but I'm unsure. This writer started setting up the pieces, including the subplot about Jean-Paul having contracted AIDS (because, you know, being gay in the 80's meant there was an AIDS story happening).

However, after the story had started to play out, Marvel editorial stepped in. The writer was expressly forbidden to reveal Northstar as gay. It was an area of life that Marvel editorial did not wish to have in their comics at the time, somewhat like Quesada's moratorium against smoking. The end result of this was that the Northstar storyline was rewritten. Really really badly.

The rewritten story revealed that Northstar wasn't gay, he was an elf.

As in, an actual elf. From Asgard. He was not sick from AIDS, he was sick because he was lacking the magic air of Asgard. Or something.

Needless to say, this did not work out. The original plan for Jean-Paul got out and the fandom was collectively groaning and facepalming. Later on, the elf origin for Northstar and Aurora was retconned (thank god). And several years later, Marvel (now under new editorial) finally managed to do the story again.

Unfortunately the result was instead this issue. But hey, NS got to say "I am gay" in a Marvel comic.

And that's about it.

Date: 2010-06-17 07:05 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Northstar had been written as... well... somewhat vaguely effeminate ever since his introduction.

As someone who read Alpha Flight back then, I have to disagree there, JP was never effeminate, he was a selfish, arrogant opinionated, judgemental SOB. We knew that he liked to share a hottub with other guys not wearing much, and we knew there was something about him which led his sister to blow a head gasket when HE criticised HER sex life, but I really can't think of anything effeminate about him.

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Date: 2010-06-17 04:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dorksidefiker
Strangely? STILL better than the article I read that had me requesting this in the first place.

I'm back and brought 40 cakes.

Date: 2010-06-17 10:12 pm (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Gee, seems to me a musclebound guy like that wouldn't be able to run so well.

Re: I'm back and brought 40 cakes.

Date: 2010-06-18 03:35 am (UTC)
crabby_lioness: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
He's got 90s-itis here. Byrne drew him as the typical long, lean, speedster. He looked exactly like an Olympic skier or speed skater with that elongated build.

Re: I'm back and brought 40 cakes.

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Date: 2010-06-18 03:56 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
I think one of my many problems with Marvel art at this time is the allergy many artists, like this one, seemed to have to spotting blacks on the page. It's one of the things that makes the art look so brittle and lifeless.

Date: 2010-06-18 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
Whoever made the decision to give all the members of Alpha Flight the same basic costume was an idiot. I mean, I can understand how it would make sense for a government super-team to do that - there's a standard uniform for cops and soldiers and so forth, after all - but it makes it effectively impossible to tell who's who at a glance, which is vitally important in a team book. And they had such distinctive outfits, too - making them all into Guardian-clones is just plain dumb.

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