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I made the following post on Facebook which started a debate about how Marvel is just as bad as DC.
“I have a radical idea for DC. Instead of rewriting history every 3 years why not try putting out good stories and stop screwing with your characters??? No wonder Marvel is kicking your asses”.
A commenter brought up "Brand New Day" and "Shadowland" as examples of how Marvel is just as bad as DC and all their retcons.
Personally I have not bought a single Spider-Man comic since the Mephisto Divorce so you know where I stand on that. And yes, Shadowland was terrible, but it wasn't a reboot or retcon. It was just a BAD storyline.
Spider-Man aside Marvel hasn't really done the "rewrite their entire history thing" that DC has gotten addicted to since the first Crisis. They say it's an attempt to appeal to more people, but I have yet to speak to anyone who thinks this is a good idea. Their love of the reset button has made it so that no one can explain to me (or anyone else for that matter) what the fuck is going on with the Legion of Super Heroes, Hawkman or Donna Troy.
Not to mention their monkeying with continuity is going to invalidate the Classic Wolfman-Perez Teen Titans of the 80's just so that they can have a token person of color as part of the Justice League's Big 7.
You don't see Marvel trying to wipe out the Claremont-Byrne X-Men run. Bringing back Jean Grey was controversial, but it didn't undo all the stories that led up to it.
Heroes Reborn was brought up as an example of a Marvel retcon, to which I replied:
"I have no interest in being a Marvel shill because they do plenty I don't agree with. I hated Heroes Reborn, but to me it was different. They took 4 titles (that weren't selling) and farmed them out to (at the time) hot creators for a year, putting them in a "pocket dimension". Then they brought them back to the regular continuity. They had a built in out if it sucked and they used it.
Post Flashpoint DC is pretty much screwing with everything in their universe that isn't Bat or GL related *and* they do it all the damn time (Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Flashpoint) *and* if DCNU tanks (and it will) then they have to alter reality AGAIN to undo it (and they will). To me that's a HUGE difference".
A large part of DC’s problem is that they insist on trying to make cosmic characters more relatable thinking this will make them more popular. People identify with Batman and he's popular. A lot of it is fantastical but you could train real hard and kick criminal’s asses.
You’re never going to have a freak accident give you super powers and you weren’t born a Mutant either, but Marvel built in reasons to identify with their characters. Most of their characters are flawed ordinary people put in extraordinary circumstances (everyone who’s not a mutant) or born different and hated for it (Mutants). These are things anyone can identify with.
You’re never going to be from Krypton, become an inter-galactic policeman or an Amazonian Princess. And that’s fine, but trying to make them more “down to earth” or “realistic” is idiotic.
DC wants you to identify with an alien and their grand plan to do that is to make him more alien and isolated from humanity. Superman works because while we’ll never be him, we can aspire to be like him and do great things. He is not like us but he embodies the best of us. Making him more alien and trying to make him more “realistic” is completely missing the fucking point.
To me if you want to try and boost sales then allow your writers to do something fresh and new. Hitting the reset button over and over again is just lazy *and* it doesn't work.
I made the following post on Facebook which started a debate about how Marvel is just as bad as DC.
“I have a radical idea for DC. Instead of rewriting history every 3 years why not try putting out good stories and stop screwing with your characters??? No wonder Marvel is kicking your asses”.
A commenter brought up "Brand New Day" and "Shadowland" as examples of how Marvel is just as bad as DC and all their retcons.
Personally I have not bought a single Spider-Man comic since the Mephisto Divorce so you know where I stand on that. And yes, Shadowland was terrible, but it wasn't a reboot or retcon. It was just a BAD storyline.
Spider-Man aside Marvel hasn't really done the "rewrite their entire history thing" that DC has gotten addicted to since the first Crisis. They say it's an attempt to appeal to more people, but I have yet to speak to anyone who thinks this is a good idea. Their love of the reset button has made it so that no one can explain to me (or anyone else for that matter) what the fuck is going on with the Legion of Super Heroes, Hawkman or Donna Troy.
Not to mention their monkeying with continuity is going to invalidate the Classic Wolfman-Perez Teen Titans of the 80's just so that they can have a token person of color as part of the Justice League's Big 7.
You don't see Marvel trying to wipe out the Claremont-Byrne X-Men run. Bringing back Jean Grey was controversial, but it didn't undo all the stories that led up to it.
Heroes Reborn was brought up as an example of a Marvel retcon, to which I replied:
"I have no interest in being a Marvel shill because they do plenty I don't agree with. I hated Heroes Reborn, but to me it was different. They took 4 titles (that weren't selling) and farmed them out to (at the time) hot creators for a year, putting them in a "pocket dimension". Then they brought them back to the regular continuity. They had a built in out if it sucked and they used it.
Post Flashpoint DC is pretty much screwing with everything in their universe that isn't Bat or GL related *and* they do it all the damn time (Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Flashpoint) *and* if DCNU tanks (and it will) then they have to alter reality AGAIN to undo it (and they will). To me that's a HUGE difference".
A large part of DC’s problem is that they insist on trying to make cosmic characters more relatable thinking this will make them more popular. People identify with Batman and he's popular. A lot of it is fantastical but you could train real hard and kick criminal’s asses.
You’re never going to have a freak accident give you super powers and you weren’t born a Mutant either, but Marvel built in reasons to identify with their characters. Most of their characters are flawed ordinary people put in extraordinary circumstances (everyone who’s not a mutant) or born different and hated for it (Mutants). These are things anyone can identify with.
You’re never going to be from Krypton, become an inter-galactic policeman or an Amazonian Princess. And that’s fine, but trying to make them more “down to earth” or “realistic” is idiotic.
DC wants you to identify with an alien and their grand plan to do that is to make him more alien and isolated from humanity. Superman works because while we’ll never be him, we can aspire to be like him and do great things. He is not like us but he embodies the best of us. Making him more alien and trying to make him more “realistic” is completely missing the fucking point.
To me if you want to try and boost sales then allow your writers to do something fresh and new. Hitting the reset button over and over again is just lazy *and* it doesn't work.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:17 pm (UTC)One thing you know you can count on with Marvel is that, if you're reading a story, any story, it's likely to be in continuity. Some stuff might be discarded, and sometimes that's for the better (like Ms. Marvel's whole incest pregnancy story), but it's not officially stuff that never happened.
DC seems to do this all the damned time, and it's really irritating. Crisis on Infinite Earths, Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis and now this DCnU nonsense. I find myself thinking, 'what's the point of reading DC books when they're going to be reset in a couple of months?'
Dick Grayson won't be Batman in a couple of months, so why get invested in any more of his Batman stories? They're not going to go anywhere.
In the last issue of Justice League, Donna Troy was apparently killed. Does that matter at all? No, because the reset will either fix it so that never happened, or she won't exist anyway. So why would any fan give a toss about it? When she died in Graduation Day, it had real impact. They even released Secret Files & Origins stuff about it. This time? No one has even noticed. Hell, I don't even know now whether she's supposed to have died or not. Has another Justice League issue come out since? I can't remember.
Not only that, but from a marketing point of view, I don't get it either. Some of the DC books are closing in on real milestones. 1000th issue of Action Comics, 900th issue of Detective and 800th of Batman. Yes, they're still a good few years away (and I guess they could always revert to the original numbering in time for the big one), but it just feels to me like there's a prestige attached to a book with a number that high that you'll never get with a new #1.
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:04 pm (UTC)Right. The whole "just ignore the stories you don't like" technique is not a perfect solution but it's better than rebooting the entire Universe to try and undo everything you don't like.
The Titans comics of the 80's were my favorite comics as a kid. No one is a bigger Titans fan than I am. So to see how the characters from those days are being jerked around makes me nuts.
I love Dick as Batman (I knew it was going to be short lived) but I agree with you. Now that I know Bruce is "the one true" Batman in a couple of months why should I care about the current story lines Dick is in?
Donna Troy used to be such a great character and she's just a joke now.
Wally West. A great legacy character who grew up to take on his mentor's mantle and even eventually surpassed him.
But Geoff Johns has a hard-on for Barry Allen. So we'll undo his heroic death and push Wally aside. Never mind that he was probably Flash as long as Barry was, AND the fact that most non-comic book fans probably know Flash from the Justice League cartoon. Which means when they pick up the Flash they're expecting Wally, NOT Barry.
I also agree on numbering and prestige that comes with it. They'll reboot everything to make some quick #1 issue bucks but then they'll switch back in time for the milestones. Because having 5 #1s of the same damn title is somehow good for attracting readers.
They just seem to miss the boat on everything.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:18 pm (UTC)I think the biggest problem, at least from what previews have shown so far, is the way they're being half-assed about the reboot. Green Lantern and Batman aren't changing, but Superman, Wonder Woman, Teen Titans, and many more are. That's the same issue that made the reboot following Crisis on Infinite Earths a pain in the butt - you can't go halfsies on something like this. The histories of the characters in the DC Universe is so intertwined that you can't reboot some and not others. If Superman is more dark and brooding, that changes his entire dynamic with Batman, which in turn should change Batman a lot, since every interaction he has had with one of his closest friends is now completely different.
New readers, if they become long-term readers, will probably want to know some of the history of what they're reading. For example, if someone picks up Batman, Inc., they might want to know what caused this change in Bruce Wayne. But Batman, Inc. is directly tied to Final Crisis and The Return of Bruce Wayne. Okay, fine. So those stories count, and new readers can easily find them in graphic novel format. But a good chunk of Final Crisis focuses on Superman, who is now significantly different than what we see there and has always been significantly different in this continuity. So now Final Crisis didn't really happen or maybe only kind of happened, and yet the current Batman book is acting like it did happen. A total reboot dodges this snafu. Doing it halfway just makes it less likely that new readers will look into the history of the characters, which in turn makes them less invested in them and makes those readers more likely to jump ship down the line.
I really don't think that hitting the reset button is all that bad a thing, especially if it's done in a way that allows the current continuity to make a grand exit. We could be getting some awesome farewell stories right now in the vein of "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" but instead we're getting a mishmash of stuff that will be significant and stuff that won't matter in two months. Despite the fact that DC has said over and over again that they have a plan, I'm not entirely sure their plan is anything more than the Batman symbol and some dollar signs drawn out on cocktail napkins.
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:09 pm (UTC)It's a mess. Not only are they cancelling long running series, they're cancelling books that just started. Batman:The Dark Night is getting another #1 and it's only up to issue 3 of the current run. I think Batman Inc is going to hit 10 issues and then get a new #1 when it restarts in the winter.
It's INSANE.
If Batman and Green Lantern aren't really being affected why renumber them? To make money off of a bunch of new #1's. There's no other reason to reboot their numbering if they aren't changing very much.
I wish someone at DC would just say that.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:22 pm (UTC)You're going to get flagged for that one, it's the stance of this community to not use language like that.
Other than that, I'm a marvel fan through and through and for the most part I refrain from picking up any DC titles APART from Batman. The reasoning for that is I find DC is really "Superman, Batman and pals" (notice I left out Wonder Woman, something is also apt to do). The entire universe is seemingly dominated by these those two and the rest of the cast are dickish midde-aged white men. Whenever an ethnic character is introduced it seems so forced that it's like that character carries their background on their back with them in each issue. Green Lantern is such a mess it's ridiculous with 3 different (or more now, I don't know) green lanterns and colour coated rings that leave such a confusing lore that I can't even begin to recommend where people start.
Marvel's not perfect, far from it, they retcon constantly without calling it a reboot. Some is creative, most are not.
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:13 pm (UTC)Well other than Geoff Johns or Dan Didio, of course.
I agree about the forced diversity. It's lame. They create new characters with different ethnic backgrounds give them a token shot and then reboot and go back to the old white guys every time. It's not fresh it's old and worn out.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:33 pm (UTC)Even without continuity as a victim the fact it's been playing up characters dying more and more makes old stories just as invalidated as simply saying they never happened.
Old well known stories like Zero Hour and Emerald Twilight have become more and more baffling and unbelievable with the whole new retcons to Parallax and the Green Lantern mythos for example.
Or a somewhat more recent example the whole New Krypton storyline. I feel completely annoyed about any issues I bought of that event that were destroyed and swept under a rug in record speed, I truly felt like my money was wasted. It's getting harder and harder to care about anything because give it a month or two and it'll be gone. Anyone who cared about Thara Ak-Var/Flamebird was pretty much promptly slapped in the face when she died and was then quickly put out of the minds of the readers. Similarly anyone who liked seeing Mon-El around in the present even for a short while was quickly let down when he was shoved back into the Phantom Zone (granted with Mon-El we knew it wouldn't last regardless but it was still considerably sudden).
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:19 pm (UTC)In fact, they usually build off of these stories.
Marvel tends to let their stories run their course and then figure out a way to return to the status quo without wiping out a decades worth of stories to do so. You knew Steve Rogers was going to be Cap again eventually, but they didn't wipe Bucky out of existence to make that happen.
DC is just lazy and lousy editing and lazy and bad story writing piled up on top of more of the same.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:34 pm (UTC)I think DC will get an initial big pop out of the reboot (which they still REFUSE to call a reboot despite the fact they've spit on Superman's history, eliminated the JSA, brought back Babsgirl as the only "true" Batgirl despite the fact both Cass & Stephanie held their own solo Batgirl title for a combined 8 years something Barbara in that role never did) but after the second month or so sales will plummet and within 6 months many of these 52 relaunched series will be cancelled. I also think that while the Grant Morrison early-days-of-Superman Action Comics will continue to do well as months pass the George Perez swinging bachelor "present" day Superman will bomb. That's not the Superman people want to read and you won't get enough newbies to replace all those who will drop it in disgust (and I do think breaking L&C apart will hurt them - as someone said even the LOWEST-RATED episode of Smallville was seen by hundreds of thousands more people than read the top selling comic in the country). And then what, Dan Didio? Then what?
To me its not a matter of when the DCnU fails but how long it takes for TPTB to start backtracking on it.
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:28 pm (UTC)Does anyone who knows anything about Superman not know that he's in love with Lois Lane and vice versa? Won't having them never have been together be more confusing for people who are jumping on then just doing something crazy to break them up?
DC wants to have it both ways. "You love our characters because of their history, but their history makes them old , so fuck their history. But they're still great characters".
Reminds me of an old anti drug commercial from when I was a kid.
"I do drugs so I can work harder. So I can earn more. So I can do more drugs". Repeat.
Why not make the Waynes not dead while you're at it DC.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:36 pm (UTC)That's why I can't really get worked up that they're changing continuity. How can they change what doesn't exist? In order to change the canon, there has to already *be* a canon, and I don't think there really is these days at DC. Everything's *already* vague and undefined. With this reboot, at least there's a chance that everyone will finally be on the same page, as opposed to today where everyone seems to be on a different page of a different book.
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Date: 2011-07-21 12:51 am (UTC)You can change a character and you can emphasize elements you want to play up and down play the ones you don't without throwing out stuff that just happened. Marvel does it all the time, but they don't wipe out all their titles just to fix the ones that they want to tinker with.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:36 pm (UTC)Marvel tweaks
Date: 2011-07-20 08:47 pm (UTC)Oy.
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Date: 2011-07-21 12:53 am (UTC)But they didn't wipe out all their old stories and replace the Thing with Black Panther as a founding member. To me that's the difference.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:56 pm (UTC)On the other hand, when you can hit reboot and use the Mystical Amulet of AceFordofOmaha to make everyone back to square one you have a real easy way to work a new situation up cause, hey everyone new hell yeah lets' crack open some Pabst and get this shit done.
The problem is that you're basically fuckign over a ton of other shit. It's like, imagine if you were playing Final Fantasy and you fucked up and missed an opportunity to steal the magical Ultima Sword. You then completely erase your save. Yes, you get a chance to try again, but now you have to fucking slog through the start of the game and no one fucking cares about that shit.
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:03 pm (UTC)Most of the series, Morrison's Action Comics aside, look like they'll be set in media res in terms of the heroes' career, with the JLA having been around five years, so they might be able to avoid that problem. In other words, they won't need to retell the first meeting between the Joker and Batman, the formation of the Sinestro Corps, etc.
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Date: 2011-07-20 08:57 pm (UTC)I understand your pain, comrade.
Again, I must ask....
Date: 2011-07-20 09:00 pm (UTC)Re: Again, I must ask....
Date: 2011-07-20 09:16 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-07-21 06:34 am (UTC)A character who has everything they need to make them happy doesn't really have a story to tell -- they already have what they need to be happy, so why bother doing anything that might risk that?
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:55 pm (UTC)That's why they do cheap deaths of characters with moderate followings (killing Ryan Choi), that's why they push someone in one direction, then tear them down in a different one (Roy Harper). And so on.
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Date: 2011-07-20 09:56 pm (UTC)It's the execution. From the two-faced proclamation of DIVERSITY!, to the misguided and somewhat offensive mandate to give all the women pants, to the questionable decisions to cut some good books and replace them with uninteresting ones, to the shitty redesigns of iconic costumes, to the uneven and confusing look towards continuity, to the strange and backwards thought process that the DCU should be more like the films and TV series based off of it, to the flip-flopping between writers and artists (I would have LIKED a Brian Woods Supergirl and Brian Clevenger Firestorm), to the fact that DC seems to be giving several artists writing credits just to keep them complacent, to the fact that this is an EDITORIAL decision made to increase sales through SHOCK from fans, instead of a creative one. There are just SO MANY issues, that I can't believe most of the DC Creative Teams even think this is a good idea.
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Date: 2011-07-20 10:54 pm (UTC)Which seems to be a more of a rumour which sprang out of a (valid IMHO) question "why are so many of our female characters in bathing suits?" and which Cully Hamner discusses here.
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Date: 2011-07-20 11:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-20 11:39 pm (UTC)If you're going to reboot - just reboot everything. Not do what they're doing.
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Date: 2011-07-20 11:18 pm (UTC)The biggest standout as to why Marvel has been dominating DC this past decade for me is: Marvel sells concepts. DC tries to sell you characters.
When people ask me to explain some really good Marvel books of the past and present, im usually able to genre specify them as much as possible. "Like Wuxia Kung Fu, with a mix of pulp, anime and steampunk? You'll love Bru and Fractions Immortal Iron Fist!! Like big blockbuster summer action that actually serves as a pretty good lead in to the current marvel movies? You'll love Ultimates 1 and 2!! Like 24-esque suspense with crazy shit that can only happen in comics? Captain America is the book for you!!"
And so on.
I have never been able to do that with DC of the last decade.
In order to really appreciate and get into DC, you have to be invested in the characters, their histories, and mythos. And that makes it harder for the person off of the street to get into. Not everybody likes to scour Wiki for hours to understand a story. And with DC changing everyone's backstory and origins every fucking five years, they're destroying the only selling point they've had of late.
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Date: 2011-07-20 11:41 pm (UTC)That's a good point.
I also like to think of the new teams that Marvel have launched in the last few years.
The Order, The Initiative, Runaways, Young Avengers, Young Allies, Dark Young Avengers (or whatever Coat-of-Arms' team was called)
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Super Young Team
Marvel do seem to have a lot more fresh ideas which hang around. The Order were canned, but they're still in the universe, and appear in the background of books. Ryan Choi, on the other hand, is dead.
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Date: 2011-07-20 11:20 pm (UTC)Including him into the group was a bigger disappointment than zebra stripe gum.
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Date: 2011-07-20 11:54 pm (UTC)And I've always felt Titans graduating to the JLA should be a lot more prevalent than it is. Wally (and who he now?) Dick and Donna are the only two to do so that I can think of, and Lord knows Cyborg has been royally wasted in his "new" Teen Titans role,
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Date: 2011-07-21 12:39 am (UTC)Also again..I can NOT get over..5..years...it irks me everytime I see it. That is NOT enough time to cram all that shit in. If that's the case, when did these heroes get a damn breather? They should all be ragged and so fatigued (physically and mentally) that villains will be kicking their asses on the same levels Bane did to Batman in Knightfall. Not even Superman and Wonder Woman would be safe. 5 years is not plausible and doesn't make sense. In fact..it's just stupid.
As others pointed out, this reboot does feel lazy and when I see interviews and statements by these creators, it just feels like a case of them having such egos that they won't admit to making mistakes and blame everything else. Reminds me of TNA Wrestling...never admit when they make mistakes and continue to do so.
Marvel isn't perfect but at least, for the most part, they don't do reboots. When they have starting points, they just have starting points and didn't have to have a huge reboot to do so. Crap stories are ignored or retconned and even later on, you may finally see a creator or two admit to how bad it was. Again, not calling them perfect..Marvel earned my rage quite a bit themselves and have done such practices that can cause them to lose customers as well. But enough of that, back to DC.
By the end of the day..it's become all too clear that it's laziness in an attempt to fix the stupid decisions they've made. DC can salvage this. They can, but will they? If they do, the next thing to worry about is..what is their version of fixing something? So far, we got rebooting on the list..just saying..
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Date: 2011-07-21 01:06 am (UTC)Babs is Batgirl and was Oracle and was paralyzed, but now she's not.
Meanwhile...
Black Canary is in Birds of Prey (which is being advertised as though they are a new team) but if Oracle didn't form it who did? And what the fuck was Oracle doing when she was Oracle if there were no Birds of Prey???
Tim Drake was Batman's partner, but now he's forming a group of super teens he's never met before. Sooooo Tim Drake's history is more or less in tact but all the other Titans aren't.
And if this all happened in 5 years then Dick Grayson must have been Robin for maybe 2 years at most starting when he was 16 or 18, oh and he was Batman for a year.
I'm going to go lie down now...
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Date: 2011-07-21 03:59 am (UTC)DC wants you to identify with an alien and their grand plan to do that is to make him more alien and isolated from humanity. Superman works because while we’ll never be him, we can aspire to be like him and do great things. He is not like us but he embodies the best of us. Making him more alien and trying to make him more “realistic” is completely missing the fucking point.
THIS! Arrrgh, I really hate how DC seems convinced that to be relatable a character has to be 'realistic.' Relatability just means that you can understand and believe in the motivations, emotions and actions of a character, not because they have relationship problems or whatever.
That, more than anything, is what upsets me about the reboot. Making Superman broody and isolated doesn't make him more relatable, it makes him less relatable. It's hard to sympathize with the most powerful being on the planet being moody - it's like a rich guy complaining about paying taxes. And I cannot ever believe that someone raised on Earth by loving parents would identify strongly with a culture that they have no direct experience with.
If Superman feels isolated and disconnected from humanity, it's harder to believe that he'd even become a superhero - Superman likes people, he feels an obligation to protect and help them because that's what good people do. What's his motivation if he doesn't identify as a human? Again - this attempt to make him relatable doesn't do that. It makes him...confused. His motivations don't fit with his actions.
There are a lot of reasons why Superman titles aren't selling well (and haven't been for awhile) but I doubt being unrealistic is one of them. :/
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Date: 2011-07-21 04:39 am (UTC)Hopefully the Roy(what will he go by now red arrow or arsenal) will be put on a good team. I pray Red hood and the outlaws is now Slades T.I.T.A.N.S 2.0
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Date: 2011-07-21 04:43 am (UTC)It's like somebody had a bright idea to scrap it all and start it all over and then a bunch of other people added on their "except, but"s until the entire plan became essentially toothless.
Let's clean the whole slate.
Great idea, a fresh start!
We'll throw it all out and build our brands back to the top.
I like how you think! Except Batman, of course.
Uhh, Batman would be included too.
Heck no! Batman's fine the way he is! So's Green Lantern!
Oy.
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Date: 2011-07-21 05:35 am (UTC)DC needs new blood. New writers, new artists. They should have used this reboot to showcase the best young or cutting edge artists, just by looking on the internet there are artists that do fan-art that do much better job than 1/3 of the art at DC already. Dustin Nyugen isn't on a first 52 book (he has a project with Pere Perez I think he said he is on, but it's a second wave project...) but come on, Marcus To wasn't either? (Know he has Huntress now, but still). Way to obviously not market to the right people. They should not be marketing to men ages 18-25. Comic books can and easily be still read by boys AND girls ages 14-18 and not be stuck under the "kids" DC label. The fact that girls as voracious consumers of manga doesn't seem to register with DC is astounding. I think a great deal of people with power there are really out of touch.
I mean to "fresh, new" they brought back a bunch of old guys, Didio, Johns and Lee's friends. 90's ick on Teen Titans. Put Babs back in her sixties get-up.
Didio and Co need to step down and Warner needs to hire new, younger people. PERIOD.
Getting Rucka (whose Wonder Woman vs. Medusa arc is imo the most bad ass and definitive "Wonder Woman" story) and Chuck Dixon writing for them again would be good too, I'm shocked Bryan. Q. Miller wasn't in the first 52 for writers either for his consistently good 'Batgirl' run.
Also more Rafael Albequerque.
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Date: 2011-07-21 05:37 am (UTC)Mod note!
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