Guess who's back...

[cyberghostface]

Comments

[randyripoff]

Osborne. Bendis. Bleah. Two big thumbs down.

[abriel]

Yeah...once it worked. Twice...you're just milking it, especially since there really is no reason for it to come back.

[thehood]

Sure there is.

His recent min(Which was great, btw) set it up nicely. And after Fear Itself, the easily manipulated muggles of the MU now don't trust the Asgardians and are thinking that Osborn was right.

So i am looking forward to this.

[oneirosdreams]

Meh.

They should keep Osborn from being used for a while yet. But that's just my humble opinion.

[darkknightjrk]

I totally agree--I'm of the opinion that, after Siege, Norman should have taken a good, long nap. Like, around the same length of time between his death and his resurrection in Clone Saga.

[thehood]

Do you say that about Doom too? I love how fans are always selective about this.

Popular villains always comeback and Osborn isn't the type to just sit back.

[cyberghostface]

I definitely agree. I just don't think he should be part of a big event. The best way to approach it would be like Warren Ellis's Thunderbolts where Norman has his own piece of the pie but he's not running the world.

[pyrotwilight]

I'm not sure if it's even possible for me to care less about a new Dark Avengers.

Hell, give the Revengers in New Avengers a chance first, they have Anti-Venom on their roster!

[thanekos]

I kinda wish this promo was Neal Adams art, but he's only doing the Point One.

(I'd also like to see a frothing Norman rant in the vein of Batman: Odyssey.. it'd work so well.)

[nezchan]

Okay, Marvel, I get it. Even if I leave DC, I won't start reading your books. You don't have to do this crap just to keep readers away.

[filkertom]

As far as I'm concerned, Norman Osborn died in Amazing Spider-Man #122.

Nothing Marvel has published since has convinced me otherwise.

I don't give a fuck about their retcons. It's just getting old. He's not Marvel's Lex Luthor. He's more like Vince McMahon.

And I've got better things to do than read what Marvel considers "edgy" these days. Most of them involve toenails or paint.

[thehood]

Actually, he was doing the business man villain thing before Luthor(He was just a mad scientist at first). He's also does with much more flare.

And you are wrong slick, bringing him back was a good thing and he has climbed the ladder of villainy quite nicely.

[cyberghostface]

I definitely agree. You might want to check out this article if you haven't already; it discusses the return of Norman Osborn and addresses all the criticisms of it. Very well-researched.

http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/GreenwithEvil/NormansReturn.html

[an_idol_mind]

That better not be Skaar in the background there.

[midnightvoyager]

.....*facepalm*

[turtlefu]

I am of the opinion that the only person allowed to write Osborn from now on is DeConnick.

Also, I just read Alias the other day. What the HELL happened to Bendis!? How did his writing get so bad/cliche?

[cyberghostface]

Nothing "happened" to him. He's just better suited on some titles than others.

Although I don't get the Bendis Osborn hate. With the exception of 'Pulse', Bendis has had a good handle on the character. On the contrary, I thought the Osborn miniseries series was pretty bland.

[salinea]

I liked Dark Avengers, I loved the miniseries.

Not sure it's the right time for a revisit of it, though; but then again, let's wait & see how it turns out.

[randyripoff]

Well, let's see.

I strongly dislike Norman Osborn because he's dead and I'm sick of Marvel pushing him down our throats. He had his time, it's over, go away, die...again.

I dislike Bendis's writing because IMO I think he's brutally overrated. The only thing he writes well is crime--and really that not so well. Alias worked out only because he was working with a blank slate in Jessica Jones. I think his endings are poor, he writes almost every pre-existing character out of character to suit his plots--to me that's poor writing. Put him on a comic where he gets to write only non-super underworld types and cops--normal, non-super cops--and I think he'd do a good job.

[cyberghostface]

If we got rid of every single comicbook character that has been overexposed and/or has been killed off and brought back to life at one point or another, we'd be left with...well, I was going to say Alfred, but technically he was killed off, revived as a supervillain and then restored back to normal. Norman didn't really get overexposed until Dark Reign.

As for Bendis...his team titles can get stinky, but his solo titles (Spider-Man, Daredevil, Alias, etc) are great. He's not the best thing since sliced bread, and his work has suffered when being stretched too thin, but he's still a more-than-adequate writer. Even if he turned into Jeph Loeb tomorrow, many of his earlier runs would still be regarded highly.

[randyripoff]

I disagree with your assessment about Osborn and about Bendis, but I'm glad you like them.

[thehood]

Except Osborn isn't "dead" and he's one of their top villains. What, just because you don't like a character you think they should be killed off, even if other people like him?

I also disagree with you about Bendis.

[randyripoff]

That's cool. I offered an opinion, and you offered yours.

[lucky_gamble]

The milk gone bad.

[lucky_gamble]

*milk's

[paultmd]

I think the timing is interesting, considering they're teasing this at the same time they're promoting Simon Williams' Revengers for the Annual, considering while not identical ideas, there are definite similarities.

I'm curious to see what Osborn's status is going to be. This is the second time that Bendis has had him very publicly go off the deep end and be sent to prison only to get out not long after. Is he out legally and if so, is he still going to be associating with HAMMER now that it's essentially a terrorist organization? To what end are the Dark Avengers being organized? Are they explicitly going after the other two teams or is he going to be presenting them as an independent third(since the Secret Avengers are supposed to be... a secret) force doing things the other two won't for whatever reason?

[thehood]

Well, after Fear Itself, the general population don't trust Asguardians , so they might see the events of FI as proving Osborn right in attacking asgard.

There were also the events of his mini.

Still, this time it will be mainly in the NA book.

[proteus_lives]

"...and you're gonna be in trouble..."

[r0b666]

Is that Batroc the Leaper in he background?

I liked Dark Avengers so I'd be curious to see where they go with this, but I can't take Batroc the Leaper seriously.

Ever.

[long_silence]

Maybe, it kinda looks like his mask.

But it looks like he's got a bow over his shoulder. So another evil Hawkeye?

[icon_uk]

I'm guessing it's a Super-Adaptoid. The Avengers equivalent of Amazo.

[r0b666]

I was kinda thinking that too, but I figured any excuse to point out how lame Batroc is...

[icon_uk]

No wun wiz ahn accent zat... ow you say... Fraunch, could evair be anyzing ozzair zan owesome!"

(And I should add that "lame" is a term we are asked not to use on s_d as it has an ableist implication)

[aaron_bourque]

THE HOUSE OF IDEAS!

zing!

[glprime]

Well they never said they were new ideas.

[darkblade]

So bets on the villian for Amazing Spider-Man being a Luthor stylized Osborn now at 5:1.

[cyberghostface]

Technically Norman Osborn was already an evil businessman when Lex Luthor was busying being this:

[thehood]

Osborn was doing it way before Luthor did(LL Was just a mad scientist at first).

Plus, Osborn is more fun cuz he's crazy.

[halloweenjack]

Bored now.

[sunaya]

They're not...really going to be called the New Dark Avengers I hope? It just sounds silly to me.

[crazycomiccult.blogspot.com]

Let's just call them the Way-Too-Many-Adjectives Avengers

[thehood]

Nah, but the story is taking place in New Avengers.

[salinea]

Would you prefer Dark New Avengers? Or perhaps, New Avengers Dark :3

[arilou_skiff]

I'm kind of... Hmmm?

On the one hand: Blegh. Osborn.

On the other hand, that was I thought about the first DA series, and that one turned out great. So...

[crabby_lioness]

Is this going to lead to another event? I have event burnout already.

[thehood]

Probably not, since it's mainly in the NA book.

[don1138]

If I recall correctly, Dark Avengers was a consistent top-ten, near 100,000 copies per issue hit. Could that possibly have any tangentially remote relevance?

Speaking of tangents, MISFITS avoids all the mistakes HEROES made.