Fantomex goes on trial for shooting a kid in the the head

[flint_marko]

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[icon_uk]

Well, that seem a singularly random reason to bring in Saturnyne and the Captain Britain Corps.

[flint_marko]

They also want Betty to rejoin the Corps because Otherworld is being attacked.

[donnblake]

There definitely seems to be more going on here than the execution of Baby!Poccy. See: Fantomex doesn't exist in any other reality and the "unusually severe" sentence of retroactively erasing him from existence.

[ian_karkull]

I'm a little puzzled as to how that is even any of their business.

[icon_uk]

Multi-versal anomalies are sort of Saturnyne's area as part of the Dimensional Development Court, and the Captain Britain Corps are her soldiers.

If Fantomex truly is unique, he's worth keeping an eye on (The only others which I can think of offhand are Phoenix, and the Fury) but arresting him and executing him seems a little like victimisation.

[ian_karkull]

I could see Weapon XIII being unique in the multiverse. The World was a little out there. Hell, the events like New X-Men basically take place in their own semi-separate reality already.

[dr_archeville]

I think Exiles said Mojo is unique/singular, too.

[icon_uk]

Thus suggesting that Saturnyne has even MORE of a point in keeping an eye on anomalies.

[ian_karkull]

Good thing Mojo already does keep an eye on all sorts of anomalies all by himself.

[bruinsfan]

It's also been shown that Set (and by implication other Elder Gods like Chthon and Oshtur that left earth's universe millions of years ago) is singular and interacts with multiple parallel earths.

[vitruvian23]

When did Brian stop working with MI:13 and move to Otherworld full-time?

[icon_uk]

When he heard Paul Cornell wasn't going to be writing him any more and decided to make a break for it before someone like Ben Raab came back?

[ian_karkull]

Oh nonsense. Apocalypse is like Galactus at this point. What he does is simply his nature. You can't change it anymore than the incoming tide. You also technically can not murder him, since a "new" Apocalypse is already enrolled at the Grey School. They're trying to rehabilitate that one.
Incidentally, the fallout of Uncanny X-Force made the other books a lot more interesting. I may have to begrudgingly pick that up now.

[flint_marko]

ou also technically can not murder him, since a "new" Apocalypse is already enrolled at the Grey School.

There's only a "new" Apocalypse because Fantomex cloned him. It would have made more sense to try to rehabilitate the original child Apocalypse instead of killing him and rehabilitating his clone.

[ian_karkull]

I thought the body had come from some sort of "Apocalypse Factory" as it were and Fantomex had simply woken it up.
Nevertheless, a nigh-omnipotent adolescent who's mind is a blank slate is more easily rehabilitated as one who underwent extensive brain-washing to become a psychopathic mass murderer.

[flint_marko]

They were trying to teach him stuff, but it didn't look like he had gone under extensive brainwashing.

[kd_the_movie]

While the Capt. Britain Corps are coming off as naive and probably hypocritical dicks, i ain't even mad that Remender is featuring them. The Capt. Britain mythos is one of the cooler but terribly ignored parts of Marvel (and this is coming from someone who has a love/hate view of Brian Braddock).

[nyadnar17]

If a completely unaccountable, nonelected body of people from an organization I was not a citizen, who's laws had never been made available to me, put me on trail I would murder all of them. Co-worker's brother or no co-workers brother.

[flint_marko]

Isn't it pretty much the law almost everywhere not to shoot children in the head, though?

[korvar]

I'm fairly sure you're not supposed to shoot them anywhere...

[darrylayo]

*icon of Deadpool clapping*

[spacebetween]

Not trying to sound like an ass here, but unfortunately in some parts of our world is deemed acceptable to stone or spear a kid to death. So it is easy to think that if they had guns it would be deemed acceptable to do just that.

I'm sure in a wide Marvel multi-verse there would be a handful of twisted worlds that would do something like that and never blink an eye.

[nyadnar17]

Depends, what if that kid had been bitten by a marvel zombie, a vampire, a werewolf, or infested by the phalanx? Yes, you can mark the argument for "curing" the kid vs killing it but don't stare at me like I am some kind of monster for killing him.

This kid had spent his whole life being brainwashed by the most effective brainwasher in the Marvel U this side of Galactus. The idea that he was less a threat than a monster bite victim is crazy. Once again, I am not saying you can't make the argument for "looking for a cure", but the onus is on the guy trying to find a cure for the zombie bite victim.

[flint_marko]

The kid didn't seem that brainwashed when we saw him.

Furthermore, the rest of the team was willing to help him, and killing him is what created the Dark Angel saga.

[fifthie]

Yeah IDK what the fuck these people think makes them some kind of legitimate legal body rather than a large, organized group of premeditated murderers

[espanolbot]

"What right do you have to judge me?"
"The moral right."

[fifthie]

Nah like I am pretty sure the bunch of people planning to straight up cold bloodedly remove a guy from existing have given up all their moral-right options, I am pretty sure at that point you are governing straight from your "just happening to be the larger and tougher gang of thugs" right.

[flint_marko]

Like shooting a child in cold blood?

[janegray]

You make it sound like Fantomex strolled up to a kindergarten and shot a random harmless child for shit and giggles.

Child!Apocalypse might have been rehabilitated, but I hardly think Fantomex is a monster for deciding that he'd rather not risk the death of 6 billion people (including countless children) for the sake of saving a single likely-irredeemably-evil child.

In any case, even criminals have rights. IRL, you can't just lynch a guy even if he is a childkiller, even if he killed a random innocent child for the lulz: the criminal deserves a fair trial by a legitimate legal body, and those people sure as hell are not it (as somebody pointed out, "a completely unaccountable, nonelected body of people from an organization [Fantomex] was not a citizen of, who's laws had never been made available to [him]").

Heck, isn't Fantomex French? Then he should be tried by a French court. And as France doesn't have the death penalty, he might be condemned to life in prison, but he couldn't be condemned to death, let alone to being erased from existence.

[salinea]

Fantomex' Frenchness is entirely faked. Since he was grown in an artificial environment by a shadowy criminal organisation, I don't think he has the nationality of any country. Also I don't believe this is how law works. It tends to be a "judged in the country in which the crime has been committed". In this case, though, the jurisdiction is hazy since they were on the moon. Maybe this specific tribunal is actually the one with the most say on the situation.

[flint_marko]

Child!Apocalypse might have been rehabilitated, but I hardly think Fantomex is a monster for deciding that he'd rather not risk the death of 6 billion people (including countless children) for the sake of saving a single likely-irredeemably-evil child.

Except his actions in killing Apocalypse led to the creation of Dark Angel, who nuked an entire town among other things. So he only made things worse.

Furthermore, he's already taking a big risk anyway in cloning the child Apocalypse to see if it's possible he can be rehabilitated.

[fifthie]

Pretty much the whole point of what I am saying is that it is in fact just like that.

[starwolf_oakley]

This is causing a fanfic to form in my head.

Due to his experience as a solider and understanding of Punishment, Francis Castiglione, a.k.a. Frank Castle, a.k.a. Centurion Britannia of Earth-221, was offered the chance to defend Fantomex. He considered it, then saw the picture of the dead boy. He then politely turned down and asked to return to his own Earth. He then spent about an hour in a certain cemetery.

Okay, maybe not my best fanfic idea.

[lascoden]

Whoa, that is an awesome idea. I think that would make a fantastic story.