Cyclops' plan?

[salinea]

2 pages from Uncanny X-Men #11 & 3 pages from AvsX #3



HEY I MADE THAT JOKE. SORT OF.



There's your "solid, unqualified win", Cap.



Here Tony makes one of those "you're starting to sound like me" speech that Magneto has been giving Scott a lot lately.











Scott plays dirty.

I like it.

Comments

[darkknightjrk]

...Wait. Didn't Rachel go into a coma in W&TXM along with Quentin?

[salinea]

she got better?

[auggie18]

Hah, Rachel's back to calling him "Scott." Not too long ago it was "Dad." Not sure if it's inconsistent because of sloppy writing or if Scott and Rachel's relationship is just that weird.

[stolisomancer]

Rachel and Quentin both had a "telepathic seizure" when they felt the Phoenix coming back, but if you reread the issue, Kitty says they're both "groggy" but aren't in comas. By the time Wolverine gets the faculty together to brief them on what's going on, Rachel's back on her feet and attending the meeting.

[shadowpsykie]

Heh, okay... That's the scott I know

[abriel]

And Scott again shows that he's a douchebag, a militant isolationist who is dragging the X-Men franchise I knew and loved as a kid into a grave, a pale shadow of what it once was.

Excuse me while I drag my broken and hurt and betrayed self into the corner to weep. And please save the defenses...I've heard them all. It won't change my mind.

[salinea]

I may be the last person on the internet to do so, but.... I rather like Scott in his current incarnation :)

[lucean]

Okay, that was just kind of awesome. No, scratch that, not just kind of. I also love how they're showing him to be the general, always thinking beyond the battle ahead and making moves four turns in advance.

I don't care what anyone says, I love this incarnation of Cyclops and I think they're finally making him one of the big players of Marvel Universe that he deserves to be with this storyline.

[biod]

I had a bit of a freak out when Namor said Cerberus.
For their sake I hope that was just a mistake on his part.

[salinea]

OH MY GOD I M NOT ACTUALLY THE ONLY PERSON ON THE INTERNET TO LIKE THE CURRENT INCARNATION OF SCOTT!

Yay :)

[darkknightjrk]

...Well, I completely misread that. Heh. My bad, then.

[darkknightjrk]

Yeah, I dig this current take as well--I mean, there's definite flaws, one could say he's still kind-of compensating for not being as strong a leader before, and he's probably putting too much faith in the Phoenix, but I still think this is probably the most interesting take on him in a while.

[darkknightjrk]

I didn't get that bit. :|

[atom_punk]

Okay that open letter is clearly intended to raise public sympathy for the X-men using lies of omission. Makes sense since that is the point of the letter and strategically it's probably a smart move but it still makes me angry that Cyclops chose such a low move. Fighting dirty indeed.

The letter leaves out 2 important details:
1) There is no mention of the Phoenix or that it has recently been observed to be a possible cause for several planets getting destroyed and that the anonymous "girl" is most likely the host for this entity.

The Avengers aren't trying to take Hope into custody for being a mutant it's because she could become host to a potentially hostile cosmic being.

2) There is no mention of Cyclops' intent to harness the Phoenix to make more mutants.

Regardless of how badly the Avengers have responded to the threat of the Phoenix, this "Letter to Humanity" is a lie.

And it especially disgusts me the moral high ground the letter is taking considering that Cyclops has done his share of shady dealings. You need only look to his side to see Magneto who I'm fairly certain has never been held accountable by trial or imprisoned for attacking humanity.

I think I can't read or enjoy X-men books (at least not about the main group on Utopia) because as I've become more aware of the real-life global situation, the X-men seem more unlikable. There are people, in the real world and Marvel world both, being oppressed and subjugated and they don't have a self-sustaining island fortress or god-like superpowers but the X-men are consistently written as being underdogs and it feels hollow to me.

I liked it when it was just a school. A school for kids with superpowers but still a school, where saving the world was an extracurricular activity.

Now the flagship X-men title is about being a country and politics and whatnot.

I dunno. Just IMHO

[filthysize]

Aaaaand here's Cyclops with the Godwin...

[salinea]

Yeah, he's definitely a flawed hero, and there's a large amount of bitterness, disillusionment & and blind faith/desperation to it -- but then again, I love flawed heroes (and anti-villains, etc.) so I dig.

[damar148]

Heavily agreeing, always hated the 'just a little girl' moral defense that's used often by 'heroes' to justify endangering everyone and leaving out the context of the little girl in question being extremely dangerous.

I cannot see how we're suppose to sympathize with the X-Men here.

[salinea]

He learned it from the best!

[cainofdreaming]

You need only look to his side to see Magneto who I'm fairly certain has never been held accountable by trial or imprisoned for attacking humanity.

Magneto actually had a trial, and was found not guilty. He did use his helmet to influence the mind of the supreme judge in his grand jury (if any of those terms are correct...), but none of the others seemed surprised about the ruling so they might have found him not guilty anyway. At least it made Magneto himself wonder.

Though since he went back to his old ways between that time and the present it's a bit moot. He's got new crimes on his record.

[salinea]

oh, yeah, it's definitely a low blow, and a very dishonest one.

Magneto was put on trial at least twice that I've read, by the way. But Cyke's team definite has its share of former and areyousureyoureformer villains.

I like that we have the school aspect of X-Men in W&tXM and the politics and trying to form a nation in UXM. I find both those aspects interesting and relevant to the themes of X-Men. YMMV.

[nefrekeptah]

I liked it when it was just a school. A school for kids with superpowers but still a school, where saving the world was an extracurricular activity.

We've got Wolverine and the X-men for that. And to be honest? The X-men as an honest-to-gosh school is still a pretty new concept, not introduced until the movie came out.

[biod]

Cerberus is an. . . extreme human rights organization in the Mass Effect games.
If they are involved, it is probably unpleasant.

[atom_punk]

Magneto had a trial once? Really? I honestly did not know that. May I ask what issue and series this trial was in?

I'm always interested in what happens after a supervillain is arrested. Like what kind of evidence is presented, what kind of witnesses do you call (since superheroes typically can't testify), etc.

But like you said, it's a moot point since he committed new crimes after the trial so he's still a criminal.

[salinea]

The first of Magneto's trial is UXM #200, the second is Avengers vs X-Men #4 (lol).

[cainofdreaming]

The one I referred to happened in the X-Men vs. Avengers mini. Issue #4 to be precise. I didn't remember the other one at the time I posted but having checked that was before this in the X-Men #200 (vol 1), but that was interrupted when the Strucker twins attacked.