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Hi all,
This is my first post on s_d, so apologies if I did anything wrong...I originally was gonna post this to my livejournal, but figured this place would be more receptive than a bunch of people who aren't comic fans to begin with.  ;p

This is from Uncanny X-Men Annual #11, published 1987.

The story is basically that the X-Men need to face their own personal greatest desires individually, and spoiler alert: most of them fail. The one scene from this story which has stuck with me through all these years though is the following (this isn't actually my scan, but I can't find whose tumblr it was now, sorry!):



The reason I find this so memorable is that it's a really human moment.  Dazzler gets to choose whether she wants to be a lawyer, a singer, or a homeless woman with no responsibilities beyond herself.  

Chris Claremont's Alison Blaire was a really human woman who was intelligent, brave and had amazing powers, but at the end of the day was just a normal person.  This era's Dazzler was one of my favourite X-Men precisely because of this.

When I
 first read this I was quite young, and I don't think I really fully understood the gravity of Ali choosing the path she did.  As I have grown older though, I more understand the appeal of choosing the path where you're least likely to fail.  I think it is really mature writing which unfortunately was much more common in the 80's than it is now.

Anyway, that's really it.  Oh, and also the Alan Davis art is LUSH (as usual).  Thanks for indulging my trip down memory lane.  ^_^
   

Date: 2012-08-18 11:19 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Welcome to the wonderful world of posting, and starting with Alan Davis is a fine choice! :)

Interesting that none of the choices was her being a hero.

I always found this a powerful moment, but it ultimately harmed the character for me. She has the opportunity to become whatever she desires, but CHOOSES not to because she lacks the courage to and prefers to live in squalor because it's safer.

It sort of coloured my perceptions of her from that point one, courage should be one of the core underlying traits of anyone who is in the X-Men, and when push came to shove, she didn't show it. She didn't fail because she faced heroic odds and lost, that I could accept, but she failed because she never even tried and though human, it's not a trait I particularly want to see my heroes exemplify.

That's probably not a terribly fair perception of it, I grant you, but it's how it hit me reading this as a teenager.

I don't even recall seeing her address this, and maybe work on her self esteem issues, afterwards.

Date: 2012-08-18 07:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I've never seen the current Dazzler as a ditzy celebrity. This current Dazzler is a woman who had been through HELL and had come back still loving life AN with a drive she either didn't have before, or regained..

Date: 2012-08-18 07:57 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
This is a good comment!

Date: 2012-08-18 01:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
My interpretation of that story was that it was the magic crystal that was at the heart of the alien fortress that was manipulating them into choosing failure as a sort of automated defense mechanism. Alison could have chosen to live on the streets and dumpster-dive, if that's what she really wanted, long before meeting the X-Men.

Date: 2012-08-18 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
There's an old saying somewhere that courage isn't lack of fear: Courage is being deathly afraid and wanting to be somewhere else but doing what you have to do anyway.

Date: 2012-08-19 12:59 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Katie Cook Doug)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Indeed, and I'm a firm believer in it, along with the Emerson quote "A hero is no braver than an ordinary person, but they are brave five minutes longer".

Date: 2012-08-18 12:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexanderlucard
I love this annual. So many great things. Plus it introduced America to the Braddocks!

Date: 2012-08-18 01:15 pm (UTC)
salinea: Sansa squeeing (<3)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Welcome to the community! Perfect first post. :D

Date: 2012-08-18 06:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philippos42
Dazzler? Sadly human? Oh, Claremont/Davis? I knew what it was before the page loaded.

This annual is amazing. I read it as a kid, and I was marked for life. Let's see if I remember the outcomes:
Havok letting go, even if everyone dies.
Rogue getting to be the belle of the ball.
Brian and Meggan's desire for a regular upper-class existence, contrasted with Betsy ripping away her skin to be inhuman steel underneath.
Storm getting to be a thief on the streets again--and Storm having the will to resist.
Wolverine's irreconcilable duality.
Dazzler reconciling her dualities by taking a third option: nothing.
And of course, poor pure Longshot not knowing what's going on.

For the record, Storm's and Dazzler's are the ones that spoke to me, in ways I still don't understand, for better or (probably mostly) worse.

Date: 2012-08-18 07:58 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
I really, really want to see more of this.

Date: 2012-08-19 01:04 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think it's one that the one third rule would cripple, since there are a LOT of character moments in it which would need to fall by the wayside.

I'll have a dig and see what I can find in my longboxes (I know I DO have a copy) but if someone else does it first, more power to them.

Date: 2012-08-19 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] philippos42
Like icon_uk said, it would be hard to do justice to it here. It hits a lot of notes very very fast in about 40 pages. Not a lot of wasted space.

It's also deeply surreal, as you can see here.

Date: 2012-08-19 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
Seconding the wish to see more.

Date: 2012-08-19 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I find it interesting there was no remaining an X-men option

Date: 2012-08-19 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
And she wanted to be a bag lady? Remaining an X-man would have been submitting herself to another's lead, following orders, rarely if ever breaking off to just do what she wanted. She wouldn't have to pick a desire because someone else could tell her what to do.

Date: 2012-08-19 01:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The trap set up various scenarios designed to make the victim no longer desire to fight their way to the centre of the Citadel. Any of the three options would work in that regard, it didn't care which she chose.

Date: 2012-08-20 06:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skemono
(this also brings to mind an issue of her own solo series where she met She-Hulk, and from admittedly hazy memory, I seem to recall she was a bit taken aback by how happy and well-adjusted Shulkie was with her own choices

You mean this scene?

Date: 2012-08-19 01:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The trap works by making the heroes no longer desire to fight, if they are still X-Men then they will still be fighting or at least ready to fight, almost by definition.

Date: 2012-08-20 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
but didn't it leave Psylocke still able to fight?

Date: 2012-08-19 02:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
I really liked this because it said something about why Dazzler was with the X-Men, too - she likes the spotlight, she likes action and she's not scared of failing in the moment, but she's scared that it all means nothing. A life as a singer or a lawyer is a lot of sustained effort that might lead only to failure, but with the X-Men she can make a difference right now. And she's not alone. All three of these choices had her alone and isolated, so no wonder she took the "easiest" of the three.

Date: 2012-08-19 09:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Well, I never knew THIS about Dazzler (Go to Number 4 on the countdown), apparently she was intended to be the fifth member of X-Factor (along with Cyclops, Beast, Angel and Iceman) before they opted to revive Jean Grey from the dead instead

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