The New 52! Parody plus DC have a Wolverine!?

[medster_comics]

That parody explain what happened after one year of New 52.



Do Gifter is a now a kind of Wolverine guy (Really Liefield, really?!?)

I didn't took Team 7 so I don't really know who are the guy at his right is.


And now Wolverine, DC version (or should I say Liefelded version).



"Screw...you..." it a place now?




So...yeah...now it looks like maybe Team 7 will just be the team getting called back together occasionally for missions of world shattering importance. Like if Nike were going to change their logo.

Comments

[jaybee3]

More and more I'm appreciating Paul Levitz. When he left the top spot at DC and Diane Nelson (not a comics person and seemingly content to let Didio/Lee do what they want) came in, all hell broke loose and the 90s and not came back with a vengeance and not just in terms of art. Wasn't there a report from one of the cons that DC actually TOLD writers to write the new 52 as if it was fan fiction? I mean...really?

I do like to see Wally and Donna there. Part of me thinks Robinson will use Donna (who he also used a lot in his Justice League run) in Earth-2 but Wally? No such luck. Because Bart Allen (aka the future grandson of a couple who are not together in the comics and have never had kids) is more "iconic" than Wally West (Iris' nephew and who was "The Flash" for almost 2 generations of readers/cartoon viewers).

[jlroberson]

You can bring up Levitz' somewhat petty and capricious moves--such as blacklisting reprints of certain creators(MIllar/Morrison's SWAMP THING being a glaring example), or pulping comics out of panic(LOEG, "Superman's Babysitter," etc)--but that still pales in comparison to what Didio and Lee have done to the line. The fact is the best you can say about Nu52 books is that they're not as bad as you expected. But not a single one of them overshadows their predecessors. They all feel redundant, needless, kind of pale.

[q99]

The best ones are the ones that needed no reboot whatsoever (Snyder's Batman, Demon Knights, etc.).

[maijson]

"Not a single one of them overshadows their predecessors."

This is so blatantly untrue that it's hard to know even where to begin. I know pillorying the New 52 is pretty commonplace today, but it's frankly incredible just how much people are willing to handwave just how much garbage DC was putting out before the reboot. Titans, Guggenheims' JSA, the Twin-JMS books, Krul's Green Arrow legacy, Robinson's Justice League, EVERYTHING related to the Teen Titans, it's all so bad. In fact, there are exactly two books on the stands that were doing fine right before they rebooted. Batgirl and Superboy. Even for as mediocre as a few books might be like Justice League and Teen Titans, it's STILL an improvement over the Robinson and Felicia Henderson stuff. Jeez louise.

[maijson]

Also, Levitz was a dude who let emotions get in front of business and wasn't above holding grudges against creators.

I suggest everyone read this article to get a full scope of the bizarre world of Paul Levitz: http://web.archive.org/web/20100323103703/http://archives.tcj.com/journalista/?p=933

[jlroberson]

As I didn't read a single one of the books you mention, I couldn't comment.

[mrstatham]

Still, the fact of the matter is there was just as much shit in the old line of comics from DC as there is now. It's just DC's marketing and the maintenance of the line that, frankly, makes the shit more noticeable compared to the gems they have to offer. That was the thing I found particularly boggling about the New52 - something like Liefeld's Hawk and Dove (where surely, Sterling Gates was put on just to polish the dialogue) was being promoted as being alongside, as being an essential part of the New52 puzzle as say, Morrison's Action Comics, Snyder's Batman, or Azz's Wonder Woman.

If this had just been a standard initiative with the usual switching of creative teams, no-one would bat an eyelid.

[icon_uk]

It's a comment I've read before on newsarama, that in the DCnU, there aren't any "b-list" heroes anymore. Everyone is high profile, whether they should be or not, and it makes for a far less rich universe.

[mrstatham]

In some instances, I don't see it as a problem. I'm happy that characters like Animal Man, Swamp Thing and Frankenstein could now have books that are critically respected as much as the really big characters. I also don't think it makes it less of a rich universe, since there's always the matter of people having their favourites and the like, and saying that a B-list character now being lifted up ruins them slightly is a bit off.

My point is that it's more the quality that concerns me, because.. Liefeld? Definitely not on par with a Cliff Chiang or a Rags Morales or Greg Capullo. I don't mind the new initiative to promote lesser characters - Marvel seem to be doing much the same - but I just wish there were some kind of... Quality control.

[icon_uk]

Oh I agree wholeheartedly on the talent side part of it.

[jlbarnett]

yes, but a lot of those books just needed a new creative team. Not to throw away everything that came out at the time

[halloweenjack]

I don't see anyone handwaving away the bad comics that DC put out before, but you're missing the forest for the trees; by concentrating on individual examples you're overlooking the question of "was it necessary to throw out decades' worth of continuity in order to stop making bad editorial decisions regarding which creators were on which books and what to do with certain characters?" Not really, especially that similarly bad editorial decisions continue to be made (JMS on two or three of the Before Watchmen books, creators being treated shabbily and given absurdly short times to make sales goals on books before they're cancelled, etc.) .

[maijson]

Nah, sorry to give you the impression that I think the reboot was completely necessary, but denying that the majority of the books that were rebooted are a marked improvement over what directly came before is just...not true. I wouldn't have taken nearly as much issue if he said that the books weren't good enough to justify the reboot.

Anyway there are a handful of books I'm enjoying that wouldn't have been possible without a reboot. Birds of Prey would've been a hardsell without some new continuity to spruce it up, Supergirl, Action Comics, and Wonder Woman would've been straight up impossible. Flash has Manapul completely reinventing the Rogues which is something I've been enjoying.

[halloweenjack]

denying that the majority of the books that were rebooted are a marked improvement over what directly came before is just...not true.

Protip: personal preferences aren't objective facts, no matter how strongly you feel about them, and the more strongly you try to argue otherwise the sillier you look.

[maijson]

There are very few people in this universe that would disagree with me that Morrison/Azzarello aren't improvements over the critically reviled JMS runs, that Robinson isn't doing a much better job with the JSA than Guggenheim's run who I believe it was this website mocked as horribly racist and backwards? They may be opinions and there might be a person out there who really is shocked that the quality of the DC Universe could've dropped so low with this reboot compared to the masterpieces of Rise of Arsenal or Titans, but if they're out there they aren't making their voices heard. But hey, why even bother having discussions at all if anything could just be relegated with "WELL THATS JUST YOUR OPINION" as if we're not all grown adults who are innately aware of this fact and don't have to have it pointed out each time a disagreement occurs.

But hey, I don't even know what you're disagreeing and I doubt you do either, so whatever floats your boat dude.

[halloweenjack]

There are very few people in this universe that would disagree with me

...yeah, we're done here.

[q99]

Ha, Days of Future 52 :)

[mrstatham]

Whilst I get the joke, half of the things they've slapped labels over make me go 'so the fuck what?' whilst others just make me wince; Take, for instance, Starfire; 1 - is that really necessary, and 2 - has she actually slept with anyone OTHER than Roy in that first issue?

[espanolbot]

Jason?

[mrstatham]

From what I remember reading, that was only implied and not shown on page?

It's still a squicky case of slut-shaming to me, though. Granted, it wasn't the best initial presentation for the character at all, but Kori's been presented far better since then, and she was also presented in far worse depictions in the older books.

[espanolbot]

Kori, from what I remember, confirmed it when Roy asked if she was sleeping with Roy, just before trying to sleep with him as well.

But yeah, slutshaming bad.

[theflames]

Even if she slept with two people in this series... SO WHAT?! I don't get it. Most of those things mean very little.

I can appreciate the joke though.

[katya]

Yeah, as far as we know Starfire's slept with Roy, Jason (offscreen), and probably Dick (implied), period. Also, RHatO is nothing like it was when it started. Personally, I love this version of Koriandr, and I never really cared either way about the character before.

[halloweenjack]

It still matters because pandering to the lowest urges of the fanbase in order to grab eyeballs after the reboot will always be a dick move, even if they never planned for it to be permanent, and if they need another sales boost they'll go right back to it in a heartbeat. Bet on it.

[katya]

Meh. Still my favorite book in my folder most months.

[arise]

I assumed the Starfire one was meant to be ironic, what with all the exclamation marks. Possibly I'm giving it too much credit, though.

[filthysize]

These things always bum me out, because the line between wanting to elevate the standing of female characters in comics and outright slut-shaming so often blur together in online discussions.

I get the inclination to complain when comic book characters are promiscuous, since it's too easy to assume that it's to titillate fanboys and all that. At the same time, I wish the culture as a whole would just get over the fact that there's nothing bad about it and a character's integrity isn't automatically diminished just because she sleeps around with multiple men.

[mrstatham]

Yeah, ditto that. I absolutely feel there's nothing wrong with a sexual lifestyle like that, nothing at all. But it doesn't help that, at times, the type of creators that are often involved in what could be seen as fairly provocative choices don't always help themselves, and neither does the gender of the writer; But at the same time, I don't think Lobdell's ever particularly expressed a notion that his treatment of Starfire is primarily for titillation; Quite the contrary, especially given her use in later issues. And Starfire in particular has always been something of a provocative character - I remember in particular the Dead Robin story-arc of Gotham Central, where the big joke during the Teen Titans' visit to the station was that pretty much every lecherous guy, and Renee and Maggie - were drooling over Kori.

[jaybee3]

A lot of the Starfire stuff comes from issue #1 (which no doubt objectified Kory no doubt and had Jason/Roy act like frat boys with a alien sex doll). Yes, I've heard the book and Starfire has gotten better since then but I'm not interested. DC knew that the first issue and how Starfire was represented was problematic (according to reports several female staffers at DC complained BEFORE the book was out and some of the art on Kory was actually toned down from the even more suggestive) and went with it anyway. Which told me a lot about how DC reacts to criticism (as if we didn't know given how they treat fans at cons). Even Lobdell when confronted blamed the backlash on slut-shaming (which was true but was not the whole story) and never commented on how people were complaining on how Kory couldn't tell the difference between Jason or Roy (literally, it was in her though boxes) or how Roy and Jason were acting/talking about her.

[mrstatham]

Fair enough. That still doesn't excuse the derogatory nature of the image above. I also think that, whilst Lobdell shouldn't be excused for the nature of her portrayal in that first issue, he could at least be perceived as needing to work out some of the kinks, given he supposedly wasn't a particular advocate of having her on the team at all - And Lobdell has also inherited some of the most infamously difficult books to deal with, given DC didn't know what the fuck they wanted to do with the Titans, Robins, etc, etc. As for his responses when confronted, it's standard hyperbole and the usual dodging of any real issues that takes place during an interview. It's just unfortunate that it happened whilst discussing something like this, but I'm not going to pretend Lobdell's the only guy who ever dodged something in an interview.

[filthysize]

Marc Wolfman has long ago admitted that the only reason he created Kori was to be the sex symbol of the group.

[espanolbot]

Who is the one that's apparently "Nakeder"?

[mrstatham]

The ears make it look like Selina, to me.

[espanolbot]

*squint* Yeah, could be.

[icon_uk]

Judging by the ears, it's either Catwoman... or Bat-Mite.

[bruinsfan]

I was hoping for Ted Grant...

[medster_comics]

Its Grifter, of course :)

[akodo_rokku]

I think the fact that Team 7 is completely ignoring everything in the "Grifter" book before Liefeld took it over (and that Liefeld of course ignored everything in the book before he took over TOO) is indicative of the general direction of the New 52.

[timgueugen]

When Lee and Choi created the original WildC.A.T.S.(Curses on titles with lots of periiods in them!) it was pretty obvious they were trying to create a version of the X Men, down to the "Good aliens/alien hybrids vs. bad aliens/alien hybrids, and thei world hates them all" standing in for mutants. But they were creative enough to split Wolverine's characteristiscs between 3 characters. Grifter has always been the "grizzled veteran of the Cold War covert wars" aspect of Wolverine(including his aging being slowed), with Zealot being the pseudo-samurai part, and Warblade being the guy with blades in his hands that likes to carve stuff up part.

[abriel]

Wasn't Barry's mom dead pre-new 52 also?

Also, boo on Starfire's label.

[mrstatham]

Barry's mom was likely only dead because of the age Barry should have been pre-Flashpoint, if she was dead at all. As it is, Johns took his mom and basically killed her in Barry's past to drastically change Barry's timeline so he had it as an unsolved murder during Flash: Rebirth, I think - and that was a direct lead-in to Flashpoint.

[icon_uk]

Barry's mother had been dead for a long, long time, his widowed father used to occasionally visit him back in the 80's.

[mrstatham]

Well, in that instance, then, it's merely Johns changing the context of her death to make Barry more 'tragic', and this artist not catching that.

[silverhammerman]

I'd read this book. Wally West, Donna Troy, and all the other great characters who got shuffled off by DC as some sort of timeline displaced adventurers trying to set things right would be awesome. Though I do think Wally deserves to be in his Flash costume, I mean give the guy some credit for his decades in the role.

[chocochuy]

Oh, the crack, the always delicious crack that this parody cover displays, hehehe.

[eyz]

Haha, love that cover!

[gunny]

I uh... I think we've lost the scans. *COUGH*

[lbd_nytetrayn]

Oh, good... so Motto holds up here, too.