Date: 2012-09-20 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I think the best part about the issue was him describing his childhood. With the way he writes the humor, his parents seem almost endearing, despite the fact that they're both horrible people.

Kinda miss the stealing the hubcaps off the Batmobile thing, but I can understand why they cut it.

Now, Joker planning for Todd to become Robin...it's a huge stretch, I'm not convinced...but depending on how they play the Jason and Joker dynamic during Death of the Family, I think it could work.

Date: 2012-09-20 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
What's horrible about Catherine? Unless there's some extra detail in the full issue, that doesn't seem fair.

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Date: 2012-09-20 05:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] righthondude
WAT

Date: 2012-09-20 05:21 am (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
What the fuck would the Joker want to do all that for?

Date: 2012-09-20 05:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I don't know, personally I think it's a pretty fantastic idea that he basically fashions someone to be a Robin, who is then taken into Batman's confidences and whom Batman really cares for, only to take that away in an instant.

It's just the execution. And the fact it loses so much impact in this new, crunched timeline.

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Date: 2012-09-20 07:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
...Because it's funny?

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Date: 2012-09-20 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] shadur
The answer to your question lies in the sixth word in it.

Date: 2012-09-20 08:20 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Because he now has an obsession for Jason instead of Bruce :P

Date: 2012-09-20 05:29 am (UTC)
zabilac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zabilac
Is it just me or does Joker kinda look like Red Robin?

Date: 2012-09-20 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
...Uh...I dunno man, I think for once it could very well be just you this time. O_O

Date: 2012-09-20 06:00 am (UTC)
skemono: I read dead racists (Default)
From: [personal profile] skemono
Wait, what? How does Joker figure that "orphaning some boy" = "he becomes Robin"? Does he know that Batman's an orphan, and that the previous Robin also an orphan? (I think I read someone say that he knew Batman's secret identity but didn't care?) And if so, does he figure that every orphaned boy in Gotham becomes Robin?

...okay, now I want to know how many other boys Joker orphaned in his efforts to get Batman to adopt one and get him to fight crime.

Date: 2012-09-20 06:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
He's dumping Jason outside of Leslie Thompkins' office, from the look of things, so maybe he knows that Batman had links to her?

And as it is, he pretty much HAS to know Batman's ID in the wake of Batman RIP. Every member of the Black Glove attending the event in Arkham saw Batman unmask as he tried to save Jezebel Jet, and Joker was right there.

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Date: 2012-09-20 06:02 am (UTC)
junkurosu: Jun Kurosu (Default)
From: [personal profile] junkurosu
I am done. I just can't do this anymore. The magic is gone. I am not happy with the Joker involvement to just about anything.

Date: 2012-09-20 06:19 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Hmmmm... Depending on how they play this, I think I like this. I mean it is just one huge joke. Make someone batman loved, then kill him.

Date: 2012-09-20 03:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It's the lengths which would be required to GET Batman to take him in which is insane to me (and not "enjoyable Joker story" insane).

Date: 2012-09-20 06:53 am (UTC)
arise: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arise
God help me, but I actually kind of like this.

edited because i can totally spell you guys
Edited Date: 2012-09-20 06:53 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-09-20 07:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
If this was a plan for the fourth Robin I might buy it. I'd loathe it, but I might find it believable. But for the second? The Joker wouldn't have enough information about Batman and Robin's relationship to be able to set this all up.

As is, nope, not interested.

Date: 2012-09-20 07:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Hm, actually this is kind of interesting, and I could see the Joker actually doing this.

And people messing with Jason's head is always amusing.

Date: 2012-09-20 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
This is pretty in character for Joker. A sick joke, with Jason Todd's death by crowbar the final punchline. Except Todd came back.

Getting too silly for me

Date: 2012-09-20 09:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alan_smithee
This is all getting way too convoluted for me - the best origins have a purity to them - Batman is a young boy who's parents are killed before his eyes, Superman is an orphan.

Once you start injecting time-travel, secret histories and now the Joker basically creating a Robin - no I'm not interested.

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Date: 2012-09-20 10:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mistersandman
Now we know where Jason got his early-onset baldness from.

Date: 2012-09-20 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Ginger Jason inherited that unfortunate gene from his daddy Grant Morrison.

Not sure where the real Jason got his hotness from, but we don't question the divine.

Date: 2012-09-20 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
What the fuck is this stupid bullshit.

Date: 2012-09-20 11:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That's actually significantly less vitriol than I expected from you, though I suspect ennui has kicked in.

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Date: 2012-09-20 01:01 pm (UTC)
pretty_panther: (misc: girl on railway)
From: [personal profile] pretty_panther
Hmmm, not really sure that I get where they are going with this. It will be interesting to see where it ends up I guess.

Date: 2012-09-20 01:24 pm (UTC)
amaresu: Sapphire and Steel from the opening (Default)
From: [personal profile] amaresu
I actually kind of like it? (I also like the idea people are floating that Joker did this to a bunch of boys until one struck Bat-gold. I can buy Joker knowing who Batman is and just not caring. He knows who's the mask and who isn't.)

I like that it was done as two unreliable narrators breaking the 4th wall to tell their stories. It leaves room for later writers to come in and tweak things to fit future plot lines as well as giving enough wiggle room to allow us to question things.

Date: 2012-09-20 01:47 pm (UTC)
randyripoff: (Barry Ween)
From: [personal profile] randyripoff
So, I'm curious as to when Jason's kid brother/sister will show up.

Another question

Date: 2012-09-20 03:07 pm (UTC)
alan_smithee: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alan_smithee
Look at the picture - it appears that Jason's outfit as Robin was basically the same as Tim's original costume - so did anyone wear the Pixi-boots and shorts or did they wipe that out for Dick as well?

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Date: 2012-09-20 03:26 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (TheBlackCat Sad Jason)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Based on Nightwing 0, the panties and pixie boots have been completely retconned out.

Sob

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Date: 2012-09-20 07:04 pm (UTC)
wake_the_dragon: (jason todd)
From: [personal profile] wake_the_dragon
I don't know.

While I can see the Joker wanting to do something like this, this just feels kind of contrived to me.

Date: 2012-09-23 10:21 am (UTC)
avalanche: Spray painting on the wall, white on grey. Writing says robin above a sign of bat. (Magis ~~ Robin / Bat)
From: [personal profile] avalanche
Joker going on about hurting about anybody's families for just observing what it does, yeah I can see.

Him going to get a kid into sidekick job for some thrill, not so much. I think that's just one of those sociopathic 'I wanna own you' lines of thought to someone he killed. And someone he can't have, as Jason surprise surprise, came alive. I can believe it bothers the Joker so much and he's retconning himself to be 'successful' about something *else* big in Jason's life, in his head.

I find it completely sick and disgusting that he'd have anything more of Jason's life than what he already took away and ruined. Being part of someone's life and formative to them is a *privilege*, whatever Joker did he just doesn't *get* to have it.

I also think it could've been done better than that clown narrating other half of the story. But then I don't want to read Joker at all. I'm mostly like 'no come on give me more of Jason being sweet, talking about his family as if they were saints, without really excusing anything they did.' That part was good.

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