Braga's "Star Trek: The Next Generation - Hive" came out this week. Set after "Nemesis," it's meant to be his swan song of sorts for the Next Generation crew.
A brief glance at the Memory Alpha wiki shows that this might have taken place within the timeframe of the last three years of Voyager... but 7 of 9 was "de-borged" (or lessened) soon after meeting the crew several years earlier than this.
Now I want to see a "Return to the Forbidden Planet" style scene where Picard let's rip with this while the rest of the bridge crew play instruments (Worf on drums of course) and then when Riker shows up with his trombone and a hopeful expression, they shoot him.
I think this story is meant to be After "First Contact" while Seven of Nine was still with the Borg and Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant, the reason why that doesn't work is Riker's already the captain of the USS Titan, in the issue there's a meeting of Starfleet Captains and Admrials on Earth, you don't see Janeway.
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Since The Borg claimed they were experimenting with interdimensional travel and visiting parallel words this Seven of Nine could be from another timeline (ala Mirror Universe)
This has to be after Nemesis, Riker is wearing captain's ranking. I'll just assume the borg re assimilated 7of9. Who are the aliens destroying the borg, or is it still a mystery
I always figured that the ultimate sci-fi trans-dimentional alliance of unstoppable villains would involve the Reapers from mass effect trying to indoctrinate the Borg and wind up getting assimilated themselves. They'd then go on to incorporate the Daleks into their collective, gaining mastery of time travel, and finally tack the cylons on at the end for additional shock troops and jet fighters.
It would be perfect destructive synthesis of single minded cyber-organic living star ships the multi-verse had ever seen.
The only problem is that the Daleks would cheerfully (as much as Daleks can be cheerful) exterminate the Borg-Reaper hybrids. Even if they went after the cylons before the Daleks (because if you have the Daleks you don't need additional firepower). Not to mention the conflicting 'Assimilate' and 'EX-TER-MIN-ATE' directives (and that's not getting into the pseudohivemind the daleks possess, that not even the Doctor ever got into).
Can the Borg assimilate the Daleks? theoretically yes. But only if they've assimilated a hell of lot more stuff along the way.
pardon the pedantry, but as a Brit I could not let this slide.
Yeah, say what you like about the Daleks, they ARE goal oriented.
Why I do love the exchange in "Asylum of the Daleks"
The Doctor: According to legend you have a dumping ground. A planet where you lock up all the Daleks that go wrong. The battle-scarred, the insane, the ones even you can't control. Which never made any sense to me. Prime Minister: Why not? The Doctor: Because you'd just kill them. Prime Minister: It is offensive to us to extinguish such divine hatred. The Doctor: Offensive? Prime Minister: Does it surprise you to know that Daleks have a concept of beauty? The Doctor: I thought you'd run out of ways to make me sick. But hello again. You think hatred is beautiful? Prime Minister: Perhaps that is why we have never been able to kill you.
It's some new species with a designation number 1881 (Not as cool a number as 8472 I know...), powerful interdimentional monsters with one goal "Perfect Chaos"...ummmm, okaaaay.
The number also indicates the Borg would know them of old, since they always seemed to name Species in the order they come across them, which is why Neelix the Talaxian is Species 238, they're from much closer to the Borg starting point in the Delta Quadrant than most, ditto the Kazon as Species 329.
Then we get the Ferengi as Species 180 which I suppose MIGHT be a long range trade mission a few centuries ago.
But Vulcans are 3259, and Humans 5618 and we know they only really met the Borg a few years ago.
So Species 1881 should be a race the Borg are long familiar with, and have been aware of for a long, long time, so I suppose they are just choosing to invade now that they have the weapons to do it.
Hm, the Borg have been filling numbers fast, although that might be due to gaining access to Fed/Romulan/Klingon databanks and adding all their known species to the list.
Assuming a more or less spherical expansion by the Borg, the surface area of the Collectives borders would be increasing at an impressive rate, so racking up numbers pretty fast.
I wonder if the Borg could infect the Founders? Would their metamorphic nature make them immune or super-vulnerable?
Ther were a couple questions asking if 7 of 9 has been 're-borged', so I'll answer them at once the best way that I know.
There has been *several* books in the last few years that have continued the TV series' in ongoing arcs. They're generally regarded as the official continuation of the episodes, and without getting too into the nuts and bolts of things, 7 has never been re-assimilated. I'm going to write this one up to the writers either ignoring the current goings-on in those books or oblivious to them outright. There's no timetable that makes sense otherwise, unless there is some kind of time-jumping going on here that hasn't been made clear yet.
The comics don't generally follow the books and the books don't generally follow the comics - separate licenses - sometimes writers make reference to work in the other medium but they are not obliged to. Even pocket prints books that don't fit with their other books (TOS book 'The Conscience of the King', the STO tie-in they did). The books are no more the 'official' continuation of the episodes than the games are - and it's arguable that STO has been 'read' by more people than the pocket books anyway (and I say that as a reader of the books).
Brannon himself noted in a CBR interview:
"One of the first questions I asked IDW was, "What universe am I in?" With the addition of J.J. Abrams' universe, there are several options on the table. I was told that they were following the TV shows/feature films, so this comic book picks up about three years after "Nemesis."
In this telling, Seven simply returns to the collective.
In this telling, Seven simply returns to the collective.
Given the long story arcs of her becoming less Borg and more human, and her appreciation of individuality, I find it very disappointing that she would "simply" EVER return to the collective.
Two words. Brannon Braga. When he was just a writer, he could produce some pretty cool stories. Just look up the Voyager episode Threshold and see how totally ignorant he is not only about how evolution is supposed to work, but how he treated the characters. He also committed what I regard as the worst way to end a TV series with "These are the Voyages". Even going so far as to dub it as a "Valentine's gift" to the fans. So when Braga says this is a swan song, it most likely means that nothing will happen.
Oh, and you see those aliens shooting at the "War Class" Borg Cubes like they were nothing? Well, these cubes are supposed to be the more powerful Borg Cubes than the regular ones we've seen in previous Trek incarnations. And we all know how powerful those suckers are. One cube was enough to wipe out dozens of ships at one time. In the Voyager episode "Unimatrix Zero", this war cube is beaten and destroyed by one Starfleet science vessel and one rogue borg sphere. I fail to see how the image of them being decimated is in any way surprising.
Oh gods.. Braga? Yeah... anyone not familiar with the name, he's Star Trek's version of Joe Quesada. This is the guy who has such a hardon for his home town that he's written it in as a theme of the show. Bozeman, Montana.
Anything written by him I tend to write off as fanfic, and not the good stuff. To be fair, I wasn't nearly as angry until the Enterprise finale, but if it's his name on there expect *anything* to happen.
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Date: 2012-09-22 01:33 am (UTC)So... alternate timelines are here again?
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Date: 2012-09-22 02:08 am (UTC)You know, I remember watching all of the show as a kid, but I haven't seen any of it since.
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Date: 2012-09-22 03:52 am (UTC)OR
Since The Borg claimed they were experimenting with interdimensional travel and visiting parallel words this Seven of Nine could be from another timeline (ala Mirror Universe)
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Date: 2012-09-22 07:51 am (UTC)(Yes, I know they're from different universes. :p)
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Date: 2012-09-22 06:30 pm (UTC)It would be perfect destructive synthesis of single minded cyber-organic living star ships the multi-verse had ever seen.
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Date: 2012-09-23 04:16 pm (UTC)Can the Borg assimilate the Daleks? theoretically yes. But only if they've assimilated a hell of lot more stuff along the way.
pardon the pedantry, but as a Brit I could not let this slide.
Just thought I'd say that...
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Date: 2012-09-25 12:43 pm (UTC)Why I do love the exchange in "Asylum of the Daleks"
The Doctor: According to legend you have a dumping ground. A planet where you lock up all the Daleks that go wrong. The battle-scarred, the insane, the ones even you can't control. Which never made any sense to me.
Prime Minister: Why not?
The Doctor: Because you'd just kill them.
Prime Minister: It is offensive to us to extinguish such divine hatred.
The Doctor: Offensive?
Prime Minister: Does it surprise you to know that Daleks have a concept of beauty?
The Doctor: I thought you'd run out of ways to make me sick. But hello again. You think hatred is beautiful?
Prime Minister: Perhaps that is why we have never been able to kill you.
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Date: 2012-09-22 12:35 pm (UTC)Then we get the Ferengi as Species 180 which I suppose MIGHT be a long range trade mission a few centuries ago.
But Vulcans are 3259, and Humans 5618 and we know they only really met the Borg a few years ago.
So Species 1881 should be a race the Borg are long familiar with, and have been aware of for a long, long time, so I suppose they are just choosing to invade now that they have the weapons to do it.
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Date: 2012-09-22 10:58 pm (UTC)I wonder if the Borg could infect the Founders? Would their metamorphic nature make them immune or super-vulnerable?
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Date: 2012-09-22 11:40 pm (UTC)One thing that helps is they have a regular point where they can't pick a highly-resistant form.
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Date: 2012-09-23 04:17 pm (UTC)In regards to 7 of 9
Date: 2012-09-22 03:14 pm (UTC)There has been *several* books in the last few years that have continued the TV series' in ongoing arcs. They're generally regarded as the official continuation of the episodes, and without getting too into the nuts and bolts of things, 7 has never been re-assimilated. I'm going to write this one up to the writers either ignoring the current goings-on in those books or oblivious to them outright. There's no timetable that makes sense otherwise, unless there is some kind of time-jumping going on here that hasn't been made clear yet.
Re: In regards to 7 of 9
Date: 2012-09-22 04:53 pm (UTC)Brannon himself noted in a CBR interview:
"One of the first questions I asked IDW was, "What universe am I in?" With the addition of J.J. Abrams' universe, there are several options on the table. I was told that they were following the TV shows/feature films, so this comic book picks up about three years after "Nemesis."
In this telling, Seven simply returns to the collective.
Re: In regards to 7 of 9
Date: 2012-09-22 07:43 pm (UTC)Given the long story arcs of her becoming less Borg and more human, and her appreciation of individuality, I find it very disappointing that she would "simply" EVER return to the collective.
Re: In regards to 7 of 9
Date: 2012-09-22 08:23 pm (UTC)Re: In regards to 7 of 9
Date: 2012-09-23 02:28 am (UTC)Oh, and you see those aliens shooting at the "War Class" Borg Cubes like they were nothing? Well, these cubes are supposed to be the more powerful Borg Cubes than the regular ones we've seen in previous Trek incarnations. And we all know how powerful those suckers are. One cube was enough to wipe out dozens of ships at one time. In the Voyager episode "Unimatrix Zero", this war cube is beaten and destroyed by one Starfleet science vessel and one rogue borg sphere. I fail to see how the image of them being decimated is in any way surprising.
Re: In regards to 7 of 9
Date: 2012-09-23 05:39 am (UTC)Anything written by him I tend to write off as fanfic, and not the good stuff. To be fair, I wasn't nearly as angry until the Enterprise finale, but if it's his name on there expect *anything* to happen.
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Date: 2012-09-27 10:55 am (UTC)Does this comic remember that Beverly Crusher is a person who exists? She was always my favourite and got absolutely rinsed by the movies.