Date: 2012-12-20 03:38 am (UTC)
skemono: I read dead racists (Default)
From: [personal profile] skemono

What part of that crowbar is capable of creating an electric charge? Or is Joker just able to shoot lightning now because fuck it, he can basically do everything else?

Date: 2012-12-20 03:41 am (UTC)
onceaskrull: (YJ: Wally animated)
From: [personal profile] onceaskrull
I can offer no comment as to what is going on in this scene, but your comment made me laugh.

Date: 2012-12-20 05:06 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
I assume he cut out a section and put in a zapper.

Date: 2012-12-20 09:12 am (UTC)
outlawpoet: (Default)
From: [personal profile] outlawpoet
The bigger problem is that even if it's a magic crowbar filled with tasers, the spark is going to jump between the positive and negative points of the circuit along the shortest electrical path, and a crowbar is made of metal, so...

I could make a case for a tiny blazing series of sparks along bands of nonconductive material, but it wouldn't look much like a crowbar anymore. And probably wouldn't stand up to a lot of bashing.

Or I guess he could have secretly attached a grounding strap to Jason's ankle or something, and the crowbar is filled with an electrochemical charge, and is literally discharging through Jason to the ground, but that wouldn't work much like a hollywood taser, it would just cook him and probably stop his heart.

Date: 2012-12-20 10:05 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
You're assuming it's ever been a real metal crowbar, and not a taser designed to look like a crowbar.

I'm more surprised that he has magically developed poison ignoring powers, and yet hasn't insulated his gloves against electric shocks.

Date: 2012-12-20 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
That's what I'm thinking too--we never saw Joker actually use the crowbar, Jason just woke up with the crowbar being shoved into one of his helmets.

Also, it didn't seem so much like poison ignoring, since he was incapacitated, but it seems like those poisons work faster through his system due to his training with the All-Caste.

Date: 2012-12-20 04:28 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I was going to say - I know we're meant to loathe the New52 overall, but are we really going to start getting picky over a standard Joker booby-trap? If so, even stuff like BTAS is going to start getting torn down.

Date: 2012-12-20 06:03 pm (UTC)
skemono: I read dead racists (Default)
From: [personal profile] skemono
It has nothing to do with New52--I just don't really like the Joker. I have problems accepting that he's able to pull off all the stuff he does.

Date: 2012-12-20 04:24 am (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
I have a very hard time believing that Jason's gloves would not be highly resistant to electricity.

I have no strong feelings towards this scene other than that. It's...okay? I don't know.

Date: 2012-12-20 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
More resistant than the Joker's shirt, anyway. Unless Jason is fiercely jamming the crowbar into the air about an inch away from him?

If paralytic toxins mean next to nothing to Jason, how come he couldn't move in the first place?

Date: 2012-12-20 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Presumably the monks taught him some sort of mystical method to overcome paralytic toxins. It's not a blanket immunity, just that once he has an idea they're in him, he can collect them all in his left toe or something.

Date: 2012-12-20 05:38 am (UTC)
thosefew: bored death (Default)
From: [personal profile] thosefew
Who says that's the costume he was wearing when he was knocked out? Maybe the Joker took off his clothes and --THOSEFEW SAFETY PROTOCOLS HAVE ABORTED THIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT--

Date: 2012-12-20 10:50 am (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
I can't read a damn thing in that red-on-black.

Date: 2012-12-23 06:42 am (UTC)
junipepper: (Default)
From: [personal profile] junipepper
Thank you. It's really awful; I can hardly read it either and I was starting to believe it was just a sign of my advancing age, since it didn't seem to bother anyone else! :-)

Date: 2012-12-20 11:18 am (UTC)
sun_man: this is Dick Grayson (Default)
From: [personal profile] sun_man
Joker beating up Jason Todd some things never get old

Date: 2012-12-20 12:17 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
So how many times is Joker going to get the shit kicked out of him by trained martial artists, inflicting what should be serious damage, (including cosmetic damage across his mask), in this event, without any actual damage to him, or it even being referenced in any other title in this event?

This makes it at least Babs, Damian and Jason already, and I can't imagine Bruce, Dick and Tim aren't going to get a few seriously damaging blows in.

And I still have no sense of the flow of time in this, the Joker can't be in five different locations simultaneously, so unless there really ARE more than one of him around, how the hell is he scheduling all this so conveniently?

Date: 2012-12-20 12:50 pm (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Maybe the chems did a number on his pain threshold - boosted it to near-meta levels - or his insane mind just stubbornly refuses to register the pain.

I don't know about the face, though. At least B&R made the face-mask thing look squishier and rotting-er by the minute. I'd be willing to overlook that at least, for story purposes.

Date: 2012-12-20 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
High pain-threshold, definitely, plus it always seemed to me that Joker genuinely enjoyed getting his ass kicked by Batman.

Date: 2012-12-20 01:18 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Again, this was my major problem with the event before it even began. We know that the heroes in the tie-ins AREN'T going to lose to Joker in any major, significant way, and given Snyder's really playing up the fact that Joker's trying to kill everyone close to Batman to make him 'better', it really dilutes Joker's impact when everyone's kicking the shit out of him, it really does.

I mean, we've had Barbara kick the crap out of him, Jason gets in a good few shots, Bruce already hit him hard enough to dislodge the things holding his face in place.. And this goes on for another two months, at least. It just doesn't work.

Date: 2012-12-20 02:03 pm (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
It's actually just Wolverine wearing Joker's face.

Date: 2012-12-20 03:39 pm (UTC)
mrosa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrosa
And I still have no sense of the flow of time in this, the Joker can't be in five different locations simultaneously, so unless there really ARE more than one of him around, how the hell is he scheduling all this so conveniently?

That's been my main doubt, how can this guy be everywhere, fighting Batgirl, chatting with Catwoman, fighting Jason, etc.? I guess continuity be damned.
Edited Date: 2012-12-20 03:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-20 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Well, I guess it depends on how long all this takes, and what we've seen of him. For example--here, we only see Joker in this maze thing, so it's possible that this might be a small part of Arkham Asylum that he's retrofitted, which is where Joker's going to be in Batman until the end of the arc. In Nightwing, though, he's mostly just a voice, and he attacks Nightwing by siccing a Joker-toxin'ed Raya on him.

Date: 2012-12-20 05:15 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
One whom he took to the time to kidnap and prepare, presumably in between whatever he does to Damian.... AND Babs... AND Jason.

Date: 2012-12-20 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I'm now picturing this happening after they capture Joker:

Doctor 1: The patient has been unconscious for three days now.
Doctor 2: Really? What happened? Did Batman beat him that badly?
Doctor 3: No. Apparently the patient had been dropping liquid caffeine directly to his eyeballs to better psychologically torture the rest of Batman's operatives. As soon as Batman punched him he went right to sleep.

Date: 2012-12-23 06:16 pm (UTC)
kurenai_tenka: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kurenai_tenka
Clearly should've read both RHATO and Nightwing before reading the comments here, sigh.

Date: 2012-12-20 06:49 pm (UTC)
pyrrhocorax: It is XS! She is running! (XS)
From: [personal profile] pyrrhocorax
He...was trained to ignore paralytic toxins? Okay!

Date: 2012-12-20 08:50 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
When Batman can bench-press his way out of a coffin buried in six feet of dirt after being chained, strait-jacketed and previously Joker-venomed into submission, all the while monologuing about how tough it is and that dirt's entering his lungs, I just tend to shrug and say 'fuck it' when the Bat-Clan can perform more-than-human feats.

Date: 2012-12-22 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Perhaps he's supposed to have built up a resistance through repeat exposure, Mithridates style?

Date: 2012-12-23 06:44 am (UTC)
junipepper: (Default)
From: [personal profile] junipepper
Eh. Modesty Blaise could do that too.


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