Date: 2013-01-08 10:52 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Hope the French troops that did most of the work during the battle got at least mentioned.

I mean, I can see that Skull would fixate on Cap, but still.

Date: 2013-01-08 11:16 pm (UTC)
nyadnar17: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Skull doesn't mention them, Cap does. No one mentions the black soldiers though.

Date: 2013-01-09 03:52 am (UTC)
deleonjh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deleonjh
Yeah, that would have really chapped the Nazis' asses. Also the Americans and the French, though.

Date: 2013-01-09 09:10 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
The Americans (and the British) were apparently the one who pressured de Gaulle into making the 2nd Armored Division - the one that entered Paris - into a force without black soldiers in 1943 (Maghrebin soldiers were still 20-25% of the division at the time of the Liberation, though).

De Gaulle's initial refusal was entirely to due to wanting to keep his authority and not wanting to have his command thrown in disarray by the Allies even a little, I'm reasonably sure, and certainly didn't have anything to do with the man's stance on racism, as he personally was quite a racist. /mind-reading a dead historical figure.

Date: 2013-01-09 04:12 pm (UTC)
janegray: (Default)
From: [personal profile] janegray
De Gaulle was against it – he did not separate his men by race like the Americans did – but he had little choice.

He was most likely a racist, since pretty much everybody back then was, but at the very least he appeared to be fully used to mixed troops (he had been leading them for years), so I'd say that his initial refusal was most likely due to basic common sense. "We are going to war against the butchers who invaded my country, destroyed half of Europe and are trying to conquer the world, and you want to to leave behind 2/3 of my army???"

Date: 2013-01-09 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] runespoor
Scratch the "most likely", his Memoires contain some pretty amazing moments of racism - reactions to individual people as well race-essentialism.

It's not so much that they were asking him to leave behind part of his army as they wanted him to reorganize his army. That's what he ended up doing, the black soldiers were switched to the First Armoured Division. Which, yeah, common sense, but also a lot of political implications.

But I also think trying to ascertain his authority on what was then the French army, as opposed to that of the Americans, was also basic common sense, especially for de Gaulle, who fought teeth and nails to make France as non-dependant on the US as he could. ...I have mixed feelings about that man.

Date: 2013-01-09 12:06 am (UTC)
ext_502445: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
"Do not rush me, fraulein."

Um, excuse me Mr. Red Skull, but your dialogue is translated from the German as indicated by these things: <>. You're supposed to say "miss" or "woman" or whatever.

Date: 2013-01-09 12:10 am (UTC)
mrosa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrosa
It was obviously a glitch in google translator.

Date: 2013-01-09 12:52 am (UTC)
ext_502445: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Ah, of course. ;)

Date: 2013-01-09 08:01 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
He uses the same program that Star Trek has that translates all languages EXCEPT when the Klingon's want to say something pithy. I mean why does it translate every single word until it comes to "K'plah" (or however you pronounce it)

Date: 2013-01-09 10:56 am (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Those words are clearly too awesome to translate into puny human language.

Date: 2013-01-09 11:35 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Except they nicked it from human language, "Today is a good day to die" is attributed to Lakota/Sioux leader/wise man Crazy Horse (Who said it in English)

And I still hold true to Cohen the Barbarian's version "Today is a good day to die, but it's an even BETTER day for some other bugger to die"

Date: 2013-01-09 07:43 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
All I know is, Shakespeare is best when read aloud in the original Klingon.

Date: 2013-01-10 01:31 am (UTC)
deleonjh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deleonjh
"Revenge is a dish best served cold" also has a long history in several different languages, the oldest written example being from 1782 in Les Liaisons Dangereuses: "La vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid". Clearly Klingons don't actually have any original sayings and spend their time flipping through those quote-a-day calendars for badass stuff to steal.

Date: 2013-01-10 01:43 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
We even know who it was. In "A Rock and a Hard Place", Peter David explained that the son of Kahless the Unforgettable was "QumwI the Eminently Quotable", who was responsible for most of their adages.

Date: 2013-01-09 01:53 am (UTC)
glprime: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glprime
"The smugness... disgusts me... so full of undeserving pride."

Funny, I could say the same thing about you "master race" nuts. ZING!
Edited Date: 2013-01-09 01:54 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-11 04:28 pm (UTC)
chieflewal: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chieflewal

Red Skull gets attacked by a small resistance cell that was roaming the hills on his way to the airfield. Ernest Hemingway shoots him in the belly.


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