JLA Year One: Green Arrow meets Black Canary, Taunts Jack Ryder

[espanolbot]

Ah, from such seeds of casual douchery such trees shall grow! In all seriousness, the Dinah/Ollie relationship is one of the more interesting ones in comics, which isn't the same as it being a particularly healthy one.

Comments

[icon_uk]

This gets a new tweak to it when you discover who the welathy financier REALLY is.

[joetuss]

I cant stand ollie. Can't explain why but the guy always made me skip pages.

[joetuss]

It's probably because im pro batman *shrugs*

[randyripoff]

More likely it's because Ollie's never been written terribly well. He went from being generic Batman clone from the 1940's to the 1960's, then was recast as a rebel by Denny O'Neil. Trouble was that most of the time he would just be depicted as a loudmouth--an inconsistent loudmouth too--and an agitator. Essentially, most of the time since the 1970's, he's been written as a pretty unlikeable jerk, so it's no surprise that you and a lot of other people don't like him.

[joetuss]

You hit the nail right on the head

[mrstatham]

This. There's like, Kevin Smith's run that I like with Ollie, purely because that version was very much about trying to make the character likable after he'd been made such a mess, and that is honestly about it. About sixteen or so issues with the character where he's cool.

[joetuss]

Ah kevin smith...the man who shitted all over what was one of the greatest comic book moments of all time

[mrstatham]

Miller himself went and shat on Year One by making All-Star Batman a follow-up to it.

[espanolbot]

Yeah, Smith at least had the excuse of being both really stoned and going through a midlife crisis when he wrote that.

[mrstatham]

I like Smith, so while I'm generally inclined to agree that his Batman material (along with his films of the period, because Copout and Red State suck so hard) is a low point for him, I'm generally more of the feeling that he's written off far too often.

[espanolbot]

There were good ideas in the Widening Gyre and the preceding storyline, but that isn't necessarily the same as it being good overall. Green Arrow was good, but Smith's Batman work was more like Man of Steel, in it possesses a lot of good stuff but falls a little flat in the execution.

[joetuss]

Was widening gyre canon?...i know all star wasn't

[espanolbot]

It's based in canon and Smith's own work, but isn't actually canon, if that makes sense. It's HEAVILY rooted in canon, including Sandman and the like, rather than being a new story created from whole-cloth.

[mrstatham]

Probably not, given it took place right in the middle of Morrison's run and had Bruce generally doing things he wasn't doing in other titles, from what I recall. Widening Gyre never got referenced by anyone, so it didn't really hurt anyone. All-Star being tacked on to Year One and TDKR was a much worse move.

[silverhammerman]

The longish hair without the beard just looks so weird to me. It makes him look incomplete.