Justice League Of America #6
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scans_dailyJustice League and the Justice League of America clash for awhile and Superman having problems controlling his heat vision. Superman witnessing all the fighting around him. Proceeds to slams his fist into the ground to get everyone's attention to make a peaceful surrender.
Superman Teammates knows that he didn't actually committed the murder by his own choice and they're doing a pretty interesting investigation trying to figure any possibility of what caused it.
Batman having Cyborg and Martion manhunter do a autopsy on Dr. light for clues to cause of his death and Wonder Woman wants to look for Pandora and her box. Which she believe was the cause of Superman out of control actions.
Also for some reason Superman been coughing like something making him sick. Batman question clark about his condition. But Superman more worry about the man he just murder.
Later in the issue, Superman gets an unexpected visitor.
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Date: 2013-07-17 06:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-07-17 06:06 pm (UTC)Yeah... There's being a skeptic, then there's being arbitrarily dense.
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Date: 2013-07-17 06:15 pm (UTC)I mean he's probably willing to accept that there are group of entities that Identify as the Greek Gods, and that Diana is among them, and that they have a Pandora analog, and that she may have had a box that had something majorly evil locked in it, but not that the box is the source of man's capacity for evil.
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Date: 2013-07-18 11:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-07-17 06:23 pm (UTC)Because, dammit, if I'm going to go on a crime spree I want people to be able to say that it was for reasons more layered and complex than "a demonic spirit told me to!".
It's like it removes responsiblity from the mix, as people don't need to worry about trying to make things better, because some unseen force to compelling people to do things instead.
It's like the Parallax thing, we can either see Hal Jordan breaking because of a series of traumatic events and engage in horrible acts as he attempts to "fix" things, trying to be a hero while doing villains things like killing the rest of the GLC, OR we can just accept he was possessed by an alien space bug, dust our hands and ignore any character development he might have gained once he realised his actions were wrong.
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Date: 2013-07-18 07:29 am (UTC)Pandora's box being the cause of evil in men deprives us of agency and removes responsibility.
"Oh, he couldn't help it, he's just a man and therefore under the influence of the evilcooties that Pandora let loose".
... In fact, I think this is /simultaneously/ sexist and misandrist -- it absolves men of the responsibility for their action and at the same time implies that since there's an outside cause it's not /possible/ for men to change or improve...
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Date: 2013-07-17 06:32 pm (UTC)i'm still confused as to WHO the Question is and his alignment.
also surprised that the Leagues have joined together (however tenuously)
also i like the idea that the "entities" in the box don't so much cause people to "sin" but that they influence those already predisposed.
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Date: 2013-07-17 07:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-07-17 07:14 pm (UTC)I mean the wizards seemed... harsh in thier judgments.
they already admit they were wrong about Pandora, the Phantom stranger was forgiven by the person he sinned against, if the Question's sin was seeking the truth then this calls into question (hehehe) the wizards
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Date: 2013-07-17 07:09 pm (UTC)Wait, I think that I know where they're going with this, especially as they showed that the Wizard was involved in the Box's creation.
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Date: 2013-07-17 07:12 pm (UTC)has the rock of eternity appeared in nu52?
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Date: 2013-07-17 10:26 pm (UTC)The Flash must be fast, Martian Manhunter is probably from Mars, Aquaman must be water related, Superman is a super man, Wonder Woman is also super and wonder is kind of an old-timey word so maybe she's related to ancient stuff, Green Lantern is probably green and there must be a lantern involved, and Batman is probably kind of dark/creepy and bat-related.
"Captain Marvel" tells us something, the captain part implies a certain level of trustworthiness to most people, and the marvel part implies a super kind of thing, as well as being old-timey and hinting at his mythological connection. Shazam by contrast, tells us dick-all about the character, unless maybe he draws his power from the Shazam music identification app.
It simply doesn't make sense to me as a name that someone would use. Like, a civilian isn't going to describe their mysterious savior as "some sort of Shazam" and it's oddly clunky to me as a name for him to use, even if it is from the Wizard because it's not even a real word, it's just a random exclamation and utterly meaningless to other people. Invincible calling himself "Invincible" tells us something, Shazam might as well have called himself "Bada-Bing Bada-Boom" for all the sense it makes as a name.
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I just really hate the new name, you guys. Like, so much.
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Date: 2013-07-18 12:40 am (UTC)I noticed in the comments on the last Justice League, half the commenters still called him Captain Marvel---who, remember, was the best-selling comic hero of all time under that name, outselling Superman in the Golden Age. They should have either done a "Miracleman" and call him "Captain Magnificent" or something...
Or--for his own book---let the title be THE WORLD'S MIGHTIEST MORTAL which has always been his description, the same way John Byrne used THE MAN OF STEEL when he wrote Superman's Post-Crisis origin and revamp, and continue to call him Captain Marvel within the stories. It's a much more evocative phrase. It MEANS something. It's also an implicit challenge to other "big gun" heroes like Superman.
"Shazam" is a great magic word, but it's a lousy name for a protagonist rather than a mentor, and a lousy title, anymore than you should call a Superman book "Up, Up and Away" or a Human Torch book "Flame On" or a Johnny Quick book that silly formulae he always spouted. Have a Forever People book whose title is "Taaru"?
No thanks.
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Date: 2013-07-18 02:59 am (UTC)?
Date: 2013-07-20 12:33 pm (UTC)http://comicartcommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/01-Origin.jpg
Every time there's a reboot in comics, people look at the new version of the character with these super-critical eyes, often finding issue with stuff that they previously never had any problems with.
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Date: 2013-07-20 12:53 pm (UTC)I have to say, I completely disagree with your assessment of the name "Captain Marvel." Rather than tell us anything about the character, on the contrary it's the type of incredibly generic code name you could apply to pretty much any superhero. (So are "Superman" and "Wonder Woman," but whatever generic-ness those names have is overpowered by the recognition value.) The fact that between the different comic companies, there've been like half a dozen "Captain Marvels" who have pretty much nothing in common pretty much proves that. If a Kree super-soldier, a boy who magically changes into an adult, and a woman who turns into electromagnetic energy can all three take the name, then the name's not telling us much.
"Captain" doesn't say trustworthiness to me. Captain Atom. Captain Cold. Captain Boomerang. "Captain" is like "Doctor" or "Man"; a generic word used in superhero/supervillain names.
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Date: 2013-07-21 04:12 am (UTC)With OMAC I give him a pass because it's not a regular word or exclamation that I have to be told has some deeper meaning, it's pretty clearly an acronym, and it's one that we have explained to us virtually every time we see the character. Also, the full thing still works as a name, OMAC is the One Man Army Corps, but Shazam can't properly be called Solomon, Hercules, Achilles, Zeus, Atlas, Mercury.
You're probably right about my assessment of the name Captain Marvel, I'll admit that I may have been stretching things at that point, but in any case, you calling it a generic superhero name is in itself kind of a strength. Captain Marvel is obviously the name of superhero, it might not be as evocative as Batman is, but it's does sound quite superheroic, and it being generic, as some have pointed out, fits pretty well thematically with the character's origin. Shazam meanwhile, due to cultural osmosis, just sounds like a generic exclamation, unless I'm actively thinking about how it's an acronym.
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Date: 2013-07-17 07:46 pm (UTC)...Heheheheheheheheheh.
Okay, I'll stop now.
Anyway, this is getting really interesting. The way the initial conflict is handled already makes this war-like event a lot more smarter and consistent with it's own universe than AVX (which could be a little unfair, since this has the advantage of being recent remade into a younger universe, but still). It appears that Diana is going to respark the conflict again, but considering what she's seeing and what she says, I can buy why she would go to the JLD for help.
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Date: 2013-07-17 08:02 pm (UTC)Also, Captain Marvel shouldn't be saying the word crap. It is wrong.
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Date: 2013-07-18 01:00 am (UTC)It's the new, post-Flashpoint, "relevant", angry young Billy/Captain Marvel/"Shazam". So, it's perfectly in character...
More's the pity.
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Date: 2013-07-17 09:11 pm (UTC)Oh Bruce. If you want to get 'scientific,' Psychology 101 dictates that most people don't just wake up one morning and decide 'hey! It's a beautiful morning today to be perfectly evil! Let's see what evil things I shall accomplish today!' It's been observed over and over again that situations make people evil, and this is especially true when you consider that most 'evil people' don't ever see their actions as such and feel they're perfectly justifiable in their actions however fallacious their logic is. Fun fact!
In other news, glad to see Vic Sage's no-face isn't as permanent as the Trinity War Preview/New 52 issues made it seem.
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Date: 2013-07-22 09:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-07-17 09:35 pm (UTC)*Aside from Madame Xanadu saying that Superman didn't kill Doctor Light, she also says the "Trinity" are already here. And according to the more popular rumor, the Trinity she's referring to are Ultraman, Superwoman, and Owl Man from the Crime Syndicate.
*Pandora assumed Superman would not be corrupted by the Box because he's the strongest of heart, and yet we see that is--that could very well be a clue that the guy we assumed was Superman is not really Superman at all. Moreover, Pandora comments about how she says Superman is more human than she thought; correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Ultraman actually a human named Clark Kent who was genetically altered with Superman's powers?
*It would also explain why Superman violently lashed out against Doctor Light when the latter accidentally blasted Wonder Woman. On Earth-3, Ultraman and Superwoman are husband and wife, so seeing his lady love appearing to be attacked caused "Superman's" real personality to briefly emerge.
*When the Martian Manhunter uses his psychic powers to probe Superman's mind for answers, he instead see a Superman figurine with a message that says "Another trophy for the collection." Since the Watchtower was destroyed, it's very likely this could be referring to the trophy room of the Crime Syndicate.
*Superman is now experiencing coughing fits and looks physically ill. This could be because he's not being exposed to Kryptonite, which is how Ultraman becomes stronger.
Of course, if true, this also raises a few questions: When and how did the real Superman get replaced, and where is he really? Have any of the other Justice Leaguers been replaced by their Crime Syndicate counterparts? It certainly would explain Wonder Woman's more increasingly aggressive behavior if she was actually a brainwashed Superwoman.
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Date: 2013-07-17 09:56 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-07-18 01:47 am (UTC)I find the idea of making the "Question" an enigmatic figure from history who was punished like Pandora and Judas. And, with the Phantom Stranger it works because his identity had never been fleshed out in all his years of publication. But...
Vic Sage! He's, like, a fully fleshed out character with an extremely layered history and personality. His parents, mentors and lovers have been explored in great detail, especially since his post-crisis reboot by Denny O'Neil (a fantastic run on his comic, I might add). What about Hub City, and Professor Aristotle "Tot" Rodor? What about Richard Dragon?
I mean, it's like deciding Superman is now a demi-god from another dimension, who is in turn a reincarnation or perhaps a representation of... I dunno... Adam, the first man?... And... umm... He represents a new Adam, for a new future and direction for human-kind and his powers are really a portent of where our whole race is headed... and then throwing out Metropolis, Lois, Ma and Pa Kent, Perry and Jimmy in favor of a whole new story. Interesting? Maybe, but insulting to fans who have followed the character. That kind of thing works as an elseworlds, but not as the main continuity. Blah. And they messed up Ollie Queen, too, and I'm pissed off about everything... I'm gonna go read my Question and Green Arrow team-up annuals from the eighties, now, and feel better.
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Date: 2013-07-18 03:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-07-18 05:06 pm (UTC)I actually came to enjoy "Arrow" midway through the season when I took it on it's own valued rather than expecting "my" Ollie Queen (my favorite superhero).
Although if I were going to do a tv show I'd base it more on the Grell era with a little of the O'Neil era thrown in. The show would begin with him and Black Canary moving to their new place in Seattle. He used to be a cheesy, thrill seeking, rich, entitled asshole superhero, living in a fantasy "golden age" where everything seemed perfect to him. But he recently had a rude awakening when lost his fortune and his sidekick (who had been shooting up right under his nose) in the span of a week. He was just lucky enough Dinah was there to pick him up (she had left him some time earlier because of his quixotic inability to see the world as it is, but when he hit rock bottom, she was ultimately there for him and they rekindled their romance because she sees that these events have changed him). Now he's starting a new life in a new city, and faced with the reality that the world is an unfair place and he's pushing forty and has done very little of any real value with his life. That's the show I want to watch.
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