Batman And Superman #2

[superfangirl1]

More adventures of young DCnU Superman and Batman on Earth 2.

Comments

[darkknightjrk]

It was kinda neat seeing these two different takes of the characters colliding. My favorite bit that wasn't in the scans was Bruce and Selina's "wedding photo," which had her upside down staring deeply in his eyes in a downcast sky, just looking like the ultimate vampire romance novel...which is quite appropriate when you get down to it.

[arbre_rieur]

Wait, so it this Earth-2?

[superfangirl1]

Yes, because of the "god" that possessed lois transported the young DcNu heroes to earth 2 for some reason.

[walkingthroughforest]

It's like I was reading the real Clark and Bruce every time the earth 2 heroes were present. I can't wait until this whole nu-52 characterisation passes.

[junipepper]

I have no idea what's going on here, and I hate the art -- what the hell is up with everyone's hair? But I find Wonder Woman on a flying horse kind of appealing.

[zapbiffpow]

Not in the scans, but I loved Earth-2 Selina's reaction to all this. The Batmen are all batarang barrage this and ancient fighting technique that, and she's all "whatever, I'm getting popcorn."

And her look at the dinner table, staring at the two beat-up Batmen glaring at each other? Nice.

[althechi]

Jeez, possessed Lois, that's an awkward way to lie down while being impaled.

[junipepper]

Well, women today learn to multi-task... "Ah! The perfect moment to get in my daily core workout!"

[draganoche]

it's interesting to think that the reason for Superman's New52 attitude would be losing his parents as a teen, I wish they made that clear in the other superman comics

[chrisdv]

Yeah, if only the had multiple Superman titles to illustrate th-- Oh.

Well, maybe if one of those titles was, instead of telling stories in the present of the DCU, telling flashbacks about how Superman became the world's greatest her-- Oh.

Maybe if DC had actually planned the reboot out beforehand?

[tpsreports]

Maybe if DC had actually planned the reboot out beforehand?



Why start now? DC has never properly planned a reboot and it shows. Hey DC here's a hint, the next reboot start over at day one, no more of this trying to wedge old stories into a new continuity.

[onceaskrull]

Yep, I agree. As much as I'd hate to lose Dick as Nightwing, Jason, Tim, etc (to take the Batfam for example), I really would have preferred that they just completely wiped the slate clean and built the continuity up from day 1, with Dick as Robin. The whole thing would've been much less confusing and felt much more rewarding (to me). If they didn't want to linger on that phase for 10+ years, they could have taken the Young Justice approach and done, say, five-year time-skips every 2 years or something.

[junipepper]

Preach.

[bradygirl_12]

Omigosh, yes! The crammed timeline is ridiculous for the Bat-Family. Start at Square 1 with Dick as Robin instead of starting at age 16 and only for a year.

[silverhammerman]

I both like and dislike the idea of a total reboot. On the plus sides it's much cleaner, but then again I know I'd be waiting to get to the new material. Like, if Dick were Robin again, his becoming Nightwing would be a foregone conclusion, and I'd annoyed waiting for them to get to it. And if he didn't become Nightwing I'd just feel cheated.

I actually think DC's basic idea of doing some stories set Year One and then having the present be five years later, was a good one. If they'd actually bothered to plan it properly and maybe had a could more series devoted to exploring the Year One timeframe, instead of just the first arc of JL, Action Comics, and the current Batman arc, it could have been great.

[aeka]

Agreed. I think it's counterproductive completely clean-slate everything just so you can retell essentially the same stories again and again and again and again, and ultimately, the reader learns nothing new of the characters.

Even when you impose drastic changes to characters like changing the origin of Huntress from Wayne to Bertinelli and back to Wayne, making Wonder Woman Zeus' daughter, and giving Superman Batman's origin, you also convolute the characters.

While I get that comics have to frequently change and evolve in order to stay fresh for a new generation of comic fans, I also feel this can be achieved without crashing and burning past continuity. Just simply provide a new starting point for readers, tell a good story with the characters, and go from there. Origin stories can be explored via a standalone issue or a miniseries.

[onceaskrull]

Why do they have to be the same stories? I watched Young Justice and didn't feel like it was all rehashing the silver age adventures of Dick!Robin. Some things may be foregone conclusions (like Dick's transition from Robin to Nightwing) but not everything has to be.

Having said that, I never wanted the reboot in the first place. But I just feel that if TPTB felt that a reboot was truly NECESSARY, that they should've gone all the way rather than the confusing mish-mash we have.

[aeka]

Young Justice is a completely separate continuity from the mainstream universe and aimed at a completely different target market from the mainstream comics. As such, it's not surprising to see a different take on DC characters and for the show to have a completely different tone from the mainstream one. My comments were specifically addressing the rebooting the mainstream universe itself.

That being said, I do agree with your second point that if they truly wanted to reboot their continuity they should have just gone all the way, though I honestly don't see the point since eventually they're going to eventually reinstate what was previously established in the first place and then it's rinse and repeat all over again.

[chrisdv]

Should've waited until Johns & Morrison had finished their runs on Batman & Green Lantern.

That really seems to be the biggest problem, that everything else was reset to year 5, whilst Batman & (To a greater degree) Green Lantern more or less carried on as is.

[jaybee3]

Wiping the slate screen and starting over completely for EVERYONE would have been the only way to make it work but DC wanted to be too cute about and say all those Green Lantern and Batman stories happened and still have their old cast of characters (minus ones Editorial doesn't like like Steph and Cass) but Superman and Wonder Woman and everyone else basically have new origins but oh wait big stories like Superman's Death still happened in this continuity too, except only very differently.

It's to the point where this reboot (that they don't call a reboot) is actually MORE confusing for a new reader than the old DCU, when according to Didio/Lee the whole point of the "new 52" was to make the DCU easier to get into.

[xamda]

Or they could have used the titles to have smaller multi issue arcs at whatever point in the timeline the author wanted. Want a Babs as Batgirl story? No problem. Want her as Oracle? Sure! This would also mean readers could pick up almost any issue and not be bamboozled with obscure references, not to mention being able to pick up guest writers far easier.

[kenn_el]

They ALMOST did it with Earth 2, but still decided to cater to those who required a Power Girl/Huntress on Earth 1, and continuing complaints that the Earth 2 heroes aren't middle-aged enough.
I'm with you, though. I don't consider it a matter of 'losing' any particular character, as the 'new' version isn't quite them in the first place.

[aeka]

While I feel that Earth-1 Clark's characterisation feels off (then again, that one is editorially mandated), I thought this was a good issue.

It left me desiring an Earth-2 book focusing on that world's Trinity and explore who they were. They're so much more interesting than their mainstream counterparts right now.

[kenn_el]

Indeed. I know we'll be following the Earth 1 guys wherever the title leads, but I wish there were some 'choose your own adventure' option where the reader could opt to continue reading Earth 2.

[capnduckman]

I got Joker, Sinestro and Aquawoman, but I can't read the second canister.

[long_silence]

It looks like Creeper

[endis_ni]

I got the wrong end of the stick at first. "So wait, in Earth 2 Lois Lane is God? YAY!"

Still slightly sad it's just a possession.

[thezmage]

Cryo-prison has always sounded like the stupidest idea ever. "We'll take a bunch of violent criminals, keep them alive and a drain on our resources while simultaneously doing nothing to try to change them, so that we can release them later in the exact same mental state we arrested then for in the first place."

[pteppic]

Demolition man did a nice number on that. Cryo-prison with rehabilitation.

[shadowpsykie]

its really hard for me not to see Aileen Ritter from Darktower when i see Lois....

[darkblade]

So cleaned up Gotham looks more like the spires of gothic castles...