scans_daily | Green Lantern: New Guardians #23

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Four pages from GL: NG, where arc villain Relic strikes a major blow to the Lantern defenses.

C is for cookie, and S is for spoilers!

One line Summary:
Relic destroys the Blue Lantern battery, forcing Kyle's crew to haul butt with a weakened Saint Walker in tow:

I guess the White Lantern ring's bound to resurrect them sometime after Lights Out. Maybe there is some hope in sight, at that.

Food for Thought: With something like this, there's bound to be casualties, but when was the last a time a new villain effectively established himself as a threat without killing anyone?

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shadowpsykie

the Phoenix force (five) they only started looking once they eye attacked

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kuratowa

Every time I pick up a trade paperback or a single issue, it seems as if they are killing off scores of characters, just to let us know the stakes are SO HIGH.

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akodo_rokku

We are assuming of course that the point of this entire arc isn't to wipe out all the rainbow lanterns and get it back down to just green.

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zapbiffpow

It's been a trend for the past few GL stories. In this case, they probably could have stopped with the Blue Lantern Battery getting eaten by robo-termites.

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zapbiffpow

Oh, man, I hope not. There's too much world-building potential there for them to just wipe them all out.

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thezmage

Agreed. I wasn't interested in Green Lantern at all before the Sinestro Corps storyline, and it quickly became the only sector of the DCU I was interested in. And it wasn't Hal that made it interesting.

We can be pretty sure that the Reds and Larfleeze will still be around because they have their own books.

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thormonger

Brother Warth! :(

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darkknightjrk

They've said that by the end of Lights Out one of the Corps will be destroyed. Whether this is what they were talking about, or if another Corps will die during Lights Out besides the Blue, it's sort-of up in the air.

From:

zapbiffpow

Farewell, friendly flying elephant. We hardly knew ye...

From:

superfangirl1

I really hope that isn't the case either.

From:

silverzeo

...... WHA!?!?!

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long_silence

Aw. That poor Space Giraffe

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bewareofgeek

Other than Green, only Corps at the "evil" end of the spectrum have (or will soon have) titles.

No Star Sapphire book, even though it'd give DC another female-led book to hype.
No Indigo Tribe book (ok, that's unlikely due to the language thing)
And no Blue Lantern book.

I wouldn't hold out hope for a revival... apparently books about anti-heroes are "k00l".

(About the only good part about this is the opportunity for someone to bring more of a GLTAS spin on Walker's portrayal. But considering the mishandling of the Question....)

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lonewolf23k

Clearly, DC is biased against Furries.

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icon_uk

No Star Sapphire book, even though it'd give DC another female-led book to hype.

Only if they gave a damn good explanation as to why there are no male Star Sapphires wearing equivlaently revealing costumes. The notion that only females are capable of expressing love worthy to be in the SS (Hmmm... I begin to see why that might be a tougher cell as a group nickname than GL) to be bloody annoying.

Are the Indigo's properly compassionate anyway? I thought there was something about them being made up of those incapable of feeling compassion and being FORCED to be Lanterns... never mind that their idea of compassion includes "mercy" killing those injured who weren't even guaranteed to die.

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icon_uk

Though I agree that high bodycounts lost most of their appeal to me whe... actually, I don't think I ever have been impressed by high bodycounts as a plot point, it's sort of an embedded problem when your group has memberships that count in the hundreds or thousands. Killing or depowering one just won't make much of a dent in the them.

The fact they go for the killing rather than the depowering is past tired though.

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icon_uk

This might be viewed as a worthy lament/tribute

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zapbiffpow

"The fact they go for the killing rather than the depowering is past tired though."

Yeah, I wish they could have just depowered them. These guys never did anything to hurt anyone - they just wanted to bring hope to the universe and maybe extol the virtues of a flying superpowered Babar.

With that in mind, what do you think they should have done instead of genocide and aside from depowering?

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zapbiffpow

Nice. If there's a heaven waiting for Warth's people, it'd probably look like that.

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bewareofgeek

There are several oddities in the way the various Corps are populated. For example:

Red: They FEEL great rage/hate (which isn't the same thing, but anyway)
Orange: Larfleeze was greedy, but the ring comes across as more of an addiction than anything. It MAKES him greedier.
Yellow: They CAUSE great fear, but they don't apparently feel it.
Green: They can overcome fear (through willpower, one must assume). But does that mean someone who overcomes something that isn't fear is not qualified?
Blue: The official diktat is that they "inspire" hope. The fact that they feel it (one would have to) is irrelevant.
Indigo: As you state, they basically have the emotion forced upon them.
Violet: They feel great love.

So we have three pairs (and Green, which was grandfathered in):

Red/Violet: Feel the emotion.
Orange/Indigo: Have the emotion imposed on them, whether they desire it or not.
Yellow/Blue: Cause the emotion in others.

Pick one, guys....

(As for the male Sapphs... it'd take someone at DC to actually care beyond short-term sales. I'd give it a few more years)

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althechi

So *that's* why Catwoman got (apparently not) shot in the head last JLA!

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zapbiffpow

Wait, so combining two ring powers unlocks different effects? That's kind of awesome.

I wish they'd explore more ring combos in the future! They could fill out a lot of arcs that way.

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bewareofgeek

No, I didn't mean it that way... I was just referring to similarities.

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zapbiffpow

Oh, sorry for the mistake!

Still, I'd want to see what happens when someone dual-wields or triple-wields a ring. War of the Green Lanterns comes to mind.

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bewareofgeek

It's happened a few times, usually to Hal. IIRC, they either strengthen each other or create feedback of a sort.

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althechi

In terms of new villains making their mark, does Mongul and "For the Man Who Has Everything" count? He was going to leave Superman catatonic pretty much forever, but nobody died that issue.

Edited Date: 2013-08-31 03:30 pm (UTC)

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terrykun

(As for the male Sapphs... it'd take someone at DC to actually care beyond short-term sales. I'd give it a few more years)

Vartox.

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zapbiffpow

Hey, not bad - decent plan, technically no deaths, and it would have worked if not for Batman, Wonder Woman and Jason Todd.

I'm looking for first/early appearances too, if you think of some other stuff!

From:

starwolf_oakley

Mongul was an established villain in that story, even though FTMWHE did make him a "name."

Mongul first appeared in DC Comics Presents #28. .

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thezmage

First of all, the Star Sapphire outfit has become a lot less revealing post Flashpoint.

Also, the rings don't select their targets based solely on emotion, but also the bias of the guy or girl who leads the corps. As I recall, red lantern rings were originally going specifically to people with anger towards Sinestro Corps members, because Atrocitus was planning a strike on Sinestro himself. The blue lanterns were holding a one at a time recruitment drive, wher Saint Walker (who, I believe, was from Sector 1) went to Sector 2 and recruited Brother Warth, whose job it became to go to Sector 3 and recruit the next one and so on. The Green Lantern rings were also being guided by Mogo, which is why you don't see a lot of evil Green Lanterns despite the fact overcoming fear and having a strong will are not inherently good guy traits.

The Zamarons, if I recall correctly, have always been big on female superiority, right? So of course they'd recruit females exclusively.

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drmcninja

When you line it up like that, I actually think it makes a bit of sense.

Red and Violet, at the extreme ends of the spectrum, require the ringholder to hold extreme views. They require all-consuming "emotion" and an intensity that the others don't. As you move towards the middle it becomes less encompassing and allows for less extreme devotion. LIke you said, yellow and blue don't need to necessarily feel hope or fear, merely inspire it in others, and green, right in the middle, has no emotional disposition one way or the other, as willpower isn't inherently a "good" trait at all. Hypothetically somoene of any morality and any rationality could utilize green.

And i guess orange and indigo could be some sort of middle ground between the two? I can't think of how, but whatever.

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drmcninja

We hardly knew ye and I still found ye more interesting than Saint Walker somehow.

Why couldn't he have gone instead? :(

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drmcninja

While I hate the needless destruction of, in my opinion, the best and most interesting lantern corps (who represented a viewpoint sorely needed in the DCnU), I absolutely love the artwork on Brother Warth. Especially the "i hope so" page. His face in that frame is really something.

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silicondream

Prometheus? Admittedly, there was a brief intro story where he killed Retro, or at least sent him to Limbo and presumably killed him later. But his big debut was in the main JLA book, and he didn't kill anyone there.

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bewareofgeek

Walker was a lot more interesting in GLTAS. :(

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icon_uk

In the Silver Age they'd just have said that the homeworld of the Blue Lantern Corps was temporarily passing through the Galactic Ennui Cloud, which doesn't remove hope, but does make it harder to care about. Voila, the Blue Lanterns are out of action until such time as they are needed again! :)

Or Despair of the Endless declares war on them for being antiethical to her domain! :D

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q99

There's always enslaving/taking prisoner.

"We have your characters. You get them back IF you win."

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q99

I really hated when Wonder Woman got the sapphire ring in Blackest Night... even though you had Barry Allen *right there* for love, and Atom *right there* for compassion.

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endis_ni

It's fine, there's a White Lantern there and everything. It's fine, Brother's Warth's serene awesomeness is stronger than death rays. It's fine.

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beoweasel

Yeah...and then he went on to destroy Star City and murder Leanne Harper.

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zapbiffpow

Hey, not bad! I really had no idea how else this was gonna go down in the context of modern comics, which was why I asked if you guys had ideas. Pretty decent, you two.

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bruinsfan

Interesting that they mirror each other, moving inward from the most extreme colors/emotions toward green.

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