Uncanny X-Men #12

[flint_marko]

The young Jean and Scott run away and go to Cyclops's team for help.






The young Angel argues that they need to be sent back home.

The future Jean arrives with the present and future X-Men, and telepathically freezes the others. The young Jean asks her what she did.

Comments

[icon_uk]

I'm afraid my problem with this is still "Why is anyone arguing that sending them back to the past ISN'T the most obvious and correct thing to do?"

And is there a reason one of the Stepfords Cuckoo's had black hair? Is she dyeing it out of rebellion?

[kuronotenshi]

I think my problem here is that anytime anyone argues against it..they aren't allowed to even defend their argument. Everyone here seems to know Scott better than Scott, but he isn't allowed to finish a defense. I'm curious to see what his reasons are from his point of view..given the alternative is taking choice away from people you are supposed to like because -supposedly- you know better.

Remember..all this 'crisis' is based on the sayings of a future team of X-Men that is automatically trusted because "Jean". Historically, time travel has -never- worked well for the X-Men. At all. And with all the horrible futures, you'd think someone might be willing to do some research.

Seems to me like the writing is (once-again) using Scott as a scape-goat to cause tension and conflict within the teams. Sad.

[flint_marko]

She said she was a trying a "new me."

[long_silence]

Kitty and Rachel are against sending them back against their will. And Rachel admits she doesn't really have any right to say they don't belong in this time.

Jean doesn't want to go back to a past where she's going to end up dying at least twice. And Jean is pretty suspicious of Xavier Jr and JeanXorn since they've been shielding their thoughts from her and refuse to reveal what has gone so terribly wrong in their future that needs them to leave immediately.

[benuben]

Objectively correct thing to do or not, it's still against their will. And you can't say atleast Jean doesn't have legitimite reasons for not wanting to come back.

[coldfury]

Is Emma borrowing the Stepfords powers or ??? I thought she was still telepathically challenged.

[darkknightjrk]

I'm sure they're helping, but if I remember right her problem was that her thoughts do slip out--if I remember right, an embarrassing, semi-lovey-dovey thing slipped out of her head when her and Scott were talking over being teammates.

[auggie18]

...why does Emma despise Jean again? I mean, yeah, Jean telepathically invaded her, but Emma was sleeping with her husband. And then Jean was cool with that.

Also, unless they're seriously jobbing future!Jean, this fight should be over in about ten seconds.

Also also, aren't they both on the same side of this issue? Why does Emma care if Jean is hurting herself? She was telepathically kicking the crap out of teen!Jean a few issues ago.

[long_silence]

Emma is borrowing power from the Cuckoo Hivemind, which should even things up a bit

[starwolf_oakley]

Emma might simply be spoiling for a fight, combined with thinking "Future!Jean isn't handling this well, so I'd better put her in her place because I'm Emma Frost and that's how I roll."

[darkknightjrk]

I think the "hate" is more resentment over Jean still being a big part of Scott's mind. She knows that he did/does genuinely love Emma, but that jealousy is still there to a certain degree.

As for why she's fighting XornJean--I think it's more of a, "Yeah, I know you're right, but you're being a REAL asshole about it."

[shadowpsykie]

i thought it was because the Phoenix Force destroyed the other cuckoos....

though i don't know if that's her motivation anymore. a part of it may still be the whole comparission to jean thing...

[jlbarnett]

Emma dislikes any X-man who is treated like, or holds themselves as a a paragon.

And she likes kids and teenagers, so in a petty squable between an adult an a kid I think she'd pick the kid

[protogarrett]

Emma, even if you were in tip-top shape and with the cuckoos you would still lose to Jean.

With you not technically having your powers and relying on the Cuckoos? You should not be able to win this.

Also, I'm not surprised Emma still doesn't care for Jean; but I really hate her and Cyclops not being together. I liked them so much as a couple. They balanced each other well.

[darkknightjrk]

Yeah, I really enjoyed Scott and Emma as well--though it's understandable why they took the break after the end of AVX, I do hope that maybe this event will be the catalyst to the two deciding to try to patch up the relationship.

[cainofdreaming]

So, Emma called them in and they're doing just what she asked them to... but she's going to pick a fight since they brought Jean? Geez, issues much?

[shadowpsykie]

maybe but she does make a valid point, she is protecting younger jean from her older self. (older jean is i think being a little heavy handed with herself.) Emma always had a thing for younger mutants even those she hated (check: X 23)

[ablackraptor]

This issue, personally, is the weakest of the crossover so far. It simultaneously had nothing happen and too much happen at the same time somehow; the bulk of the issue is just different people arguing the same point over and over, then in the last few pages, Future X-Men find them, Emma turns on the others, then turns against the Future X-Men because she doesn't like Jean and now they're picking a fight....

Hopefully it'll reach back to its previous quality, since the other three issues were the best comics I've read recently.

[randyripoff]

Okay, I love a scantily clad Emma as much as anyone, but what the hell is she wearing? The lingerie made more sense.

[donnblake]

I don't know- what's the next step beyond thigh boots? Hip boots? Crotch boots?

[jlbarnett]

quick guess, future Jean is not like original timeline run all the way through Jean come back yet again. She's plucked from the beginning of the X-men Jean who never went back and ended up watching timelines collapse and people die.

[stillanerd]

Yep, I believe that's exactly who XornJean is supposed to be as well.

[jaybee3]

There's a lot of meta-fiction and winking at the readers here. I'm not sure I like it. It's as if even the writers don't take this seriously.

And Emma's costume in the last panel may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen her wear. And for Emma Frost that's saying something!

[polly1788]

i know deadpool breaks the fourth wall in this issue, but for some reason he comes off as the most sane of the future x-men in my mind or maybe hes just really lvl headed compare to how he is normally

ps love the art

[big_daddy_d]

Ok first. Wow. Second, being reminded of why I don't particularly like Emma Frost.

[shingi70]

So are the cuckoo's Emma's daughters or something?

Also why isn't there a book about the current slate of X-kids. They're all so much more intressting than the ongoing saga of adults who seem to contunilly make things worse.

[donnblake]

Partial genetic clones, I think?

But she was their mentor for most of New X-men.

[mesmiranda]

Oh, good, they're getting the claws out again, I'm so excited. You know, just once I would love to see Emma and Jean teaming up to take down Scott--or anyone, really--instead of this endless, boring, beating-a-dead-horse catfight because some writer has a totally fresh new take on the madonna/whore complex.

I do love the Stepford Cuckoos, though.

[stillanerd]

I can understand why TeenJean doesn't want to go back; after all, if she does, then the knowledge that she's going to die will be erased and thus being sent back will amount to her being killed all over again. I can understand why Kitty Pryde is upset with her fellow X-Men in wanting to force the Original Five back, as these are her students whom she's come to love and care for. I can even understand Cyclops wanting to let his teenage self and Jean stay, as it's a combination of wanting to protect them and, as Emma and Magneto rightfully point out, his wanting to "preserve his innocence."

However, none of them have any leg to stand on. The moment TeenScott was almost killed and Cyclops nearly ceased to exist was the moment the "let the original five decide for themselves" crowd lost the argument. Yes, the motives of the Future X-Men seem questionable and probably not even good guys, but it doesn't mean they're wrong in wanting to send the Original Five back. The idea that Bendis is trying to create another "Schism" between the X-Men over whether or not to send the Original Five back when it's never been debatable in the first place is just pointless drama and in-fighting for the sake of in-fighting.